27 March 2008

Fitna the movie: Tear out the hateful verses from the Quran.

Everyone on the planet should see this movie.

[March 28 Update: As you will find if you try to view this video, it is no longer available at LiveLink.com. The LiveLink staff have received death threats from peace-loving followers of the Quran. An English version still seems to be available here. But don't wait too long to view it. Most of the world is busy appeasing Islam.

I should also mention that there appear to be a few problems and/or errors in the movie. The cartoon was used without permission (I guess I, too, am now guilty of that) and an individual in the movie might have been misidentified. More information about the movie can be found at Wikipedia.]

Quran verses from the movie (Pickthall translation):

Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Quran 8:60

Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Quran 4:56

Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds ... And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. Quran 47:4

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them. Quran 4:89

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do. Quran 8:39

At the end of the movie there are these words:

It is not up to me, but to Muslims themselves to tear out the hateful verses from the Quran.

I agree. I suggest beginning by removing these verses.

The same approach should be taken with the Bible. Here is a similar list from the Bible.

Moderate Christians, Jews, and Muslims (if there are any) ignore these verses anyway. Why not make it official? God did not inspire the cruel, intolerant, and hateful verses from either the Quran or the Bible.

It's time to tear them out of the "Holy Books" -- or just throw the whole books away.

13 comments:

Erwin said...

Mirrors:

http://nederkrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/fitna-the-movie/
http://atelier.kw.nl/~gerard/video/
http://pyroforum.nl/fitna/
http://www.fok.nl/mirror/fitna.html
http://www.zeepvrij.nl/2008/03/11/fitna/
http://www.debaasjes.nl/index.php/comments/fitna1/

Erwin said...

Did some plugging for "http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm"

I thought it might be usefull, if more people did some reading.

So heads-up for more trafic, and keep up the good works.

Jeroen said...

You might want to know that Fitna was made by a political party with the sole purpose to stop immigration.

Steve Wells said...

Yes, jeroen, I know that Geert Wilders is anti-immigration. Does that make the movie less truthful to you?

Jeroen said...

Yes, because there are different intentions. It is a political film made by a party leader of a party that has just one member Geert Wilders. And just one issue. It is in no way a democratic party. There are only voters, it is not hard to guess what ideology they support.

The Danish cartonists started a lawsuit against the maker Wilders for misusing the famous cartoons without permission. The film is full of bad mistakes. The picture of Mohammed B - the murderer of van Gogh - is not Mohammed B but a Dutch 'comedian' and singer who proved succesfully that the Dutch see a killer in all Maroccans. Wilders made himself the laugingstock of holland by this terrible mistake.

There's more: the pictures of the children in blood a not victims of violance by muslims but are actually children in a festival.

I had some hope your intentions were very different from Wilders. But I see I was wrong. Shame on me.

McGuire said...

The motives behind the making aren't exactly benign... then again neither were the sentiments expressed by the Muslims in it. It's a 15 minute montage of religious extremism.

Steve Wells said...

Thanks, Jeroen, for pointing out errors in the movie. I'll try to address them in another post on the topic.

There is no doubt, however, that the Quran inspires a great deal of religious hatred and violence. It is that that I object to.

McGuire said...

There's a lot of info. here on it;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_(film)

e.g.; The picture was shot for the rapper's album 'Nederlands Grootste Nachtmerrie' (Netherlands' Worst Nightmare), which according to the singer's website, was shot to be 'exactly like the mugshot of convicted killer Mohamed B'.

Jeroen said...

The point is that the movie also inspires hatred. The maker never tells us that there is another side of islam. He doesn't tell us that there were muslim victims on 911.

Wilders wants a society based on judaic-christianity (whatever that me be!). He wants it written down in the constitution. He is not making a statement on religion, he is making a statement on islam.

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Greg said...

Wilders has done society a great deed! It is time we (western society) truly wakeup and understand and accept that Islam has one purpose and that is to kill all non-believers and to put all of earth back about 2500 years in our standard of living.
We all need to speak out more about the dangers and truth of Islam.

Jason Macker said...

Wilders is a Roman Catholic. He says he supports freedom of speech, yet he wants to ban the Quran. Which means this website would be shut down (if it was in the Netherlands) since it hosts the Quran.

also, I don't see how the amount of violence in a religion is relevant to how true it is.

I don't see the point of arguing over violence anyways, as the inherent contradictions in idea of God is enough to disprove theistic religions in the first place. There's no reason to go further, since it then means that other religions can use specific criticisms to bring followers to their own faith (which is what Wilders is doing).

Dye said...

What is wrong with not wanting muslims in ur country???Would any sane non-muslim want muslims or sharia law??? I don't