01 June 2012

Finally, a Christian who is not ashamed of Leviticus 20:13

In his sermon last Sunday, Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas had this to say about homosexuals:
They should be put to death. That's what happened in Israel. That's why homosexuality wouldn't have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversions. It tends to limit people coming out of the closets.
But he says it's not our job to kill them. It's the government's.
Oh, so you're saying we should go out and start killing them? No, I'm saying the government should. 
Then he did what Bible believers are rarely willing to do: he quoted Leviticus 20:13.
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, then they have committed a detestable act, and they shall surely be put to death.
 He then finished by saying something really puzzling.
I don't think homosexuals have anything to worry about. I don't think the government is going to do that. They don't have anything to worry about from me. I don't believe I should lay a finger against them.
Leviticus 20:13 says nothing about government. And neither does the context. Here, for example, is how Leviticus 20 starts out.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:1-2
"He shall be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones."

It was the people's job to throw the stones, not the government's.

God makes this point especially clear in the next few verses. Here's what happens to people like Curtis Knapp who refuse to cast the first stone.
And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not: Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off.... Leviticus 20:4-5
God will "cut off" people who refuse to kill those that God says should be killed (like those who "give their seed to Molech", curse their parents, have sex with  animals, etc.).  Then when he's done with that he'll do the same to their families.

No, it's not the governments job to do the killing; it's ours.

The only question is how? In some cases (like the people who give their seed to Molech and wizards) it's clear enough: God wants us to stone them to death.

In other cases (like when a man has sex with his wife and her mother),  we must burn them to death.

But sometimes God just doesn't say how we should do it.

Let's look again at Leviticus 20:13.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
All we can say for sure is this: God wants us to kill male homosexuals in a bloody way. "Their blood shall be upon them." Stoning would certainly be bloody enough, even for God. And it's one of God's favorite means of execution. So I think Pastor Knapp should go with that.

But if the good pastor "hides his eyes" from homosexuals by refusing to kill them as God commands, God will "set his face against him and his family" and "cut them off."

It's time for Pastor Knapp and other Bible believers to come out of the closet and do what God commands them to do in Leviticus 20:13.

It's their job, not the governments.


Incongruous Circumspection said...

This moron too.


v1car said...

I seem to recall that "their blood shall be upon them" actually means "it's their own fault". (That is, the blood is a metaphor for the guilt arising from their deaths.)

You might say it's a loophole in the Old Testament guilt and shame accounting tax code; everyone should feel bad about all sorts of things all the time, but for a few specific cases, you can (literally) get away with murder and you don't have to feel bad because, hey, god is totally down with killing certain people.

Steve Wells said...

Yeah, you might be right about that v1car. But I think "blood" here is likely to have two meanings, one metaphorical and one literal. "Blood" may mean "guilt" but it also means blood. God wants them killed in a messy, painful, and bloody way.

Stephen said...

v1car said...

"I seem to recall that "their blood shall be upon them" actually means "it's their own fault". (That is, the blood is a metaphor for the guilt arising from their deaths.)"

Why would people who like to take the bible literally bother with something like a metaphor, which requires a bit of intelligence to understand? To paraphrase Sigmund Freud, "Sometimes blood is just blood."

Belexus said...

Definitely a librul as he is demanding an ever-expanding government do the job a private sector employer could do so much more efficiently.....

Carlos Bosque said...

I have an interesting question. Leviticus 20:13 shows that god its against men who sleeps with men, does that means that god has nothing against lesbians? Yeap! God is, with no question, a typical men, homophobic but has no problem with women sleeping with women. Leviticus 20:10-21 explains the sleeping sexual arrangements rules from god. When it comes to sleeping with animals, god mention both genders, making clear its not ok for females or males to have sex with animals but only mention one gender when it comes to homosexuality. I guess we have to come to the conclusion that god only approves lesbians, 'not like there is anything wrong with that.' Also god disapprove brothers and sisters sleeping with each other but god didn't mind when Abraham did it, (genesis 20:11,12) in fact he was married to her... maybe that's the reason he couldn't get her pregnant. When Lot slept with his daughter (genesis 19:30-36) that's also against gods sleeping arrangements but god didn't mind this one either. Some might said god let it happen because they need it to make more people but there was more people around, Abraham slept with his wife's slave (genesis 16:2-4) his wife gave him permission. Well I guess god is willing to bend his rules with some people, he works in a very mysterious way... too mysterious to take it seriously.

jjhrae said...

Carlos you need to READ the Bible! it is the same for Women BOTH are detestable - man with a man and woman with a woman. Guess you need me to find it for you. 1. ALL sex outside marriage is Sin!
Fornication is sin. 2. Woman was created for Man 1 Cor:11:9. 3. Homosexual practice (BOTH genders) - same gender sex - is SIN and unnatural lust - Rom1:24 "Therefore God gave them over 48 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor 49 their bodies among themselves" and Rom 1:26-27 " 26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 55 and were inflamed in their passions 56 for one another. Men 57 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

So that is Very clear Carlos. Everything is IN the Bible!

OH MY Carlos You think Sarah was Abraham's sister? READ it again - Abraham LIED to the King - He was afraid that they would KILL Him and take Sarah for the King's Harem! So he LIED and said she is my sister.

Carlos YOU cant read the Bible UNLESS GOD gives you the Spirit to SEE. BUT it IS PLAIN as day. I couldn't understand or see it until I asked GOD to open my eyes. Ask HIM He will open your eyes IF you are sincere and really want to know the Truth!

LOT was Drunk and passed out. HE did NOT know what his daughters planned!

GOD Loves the sinner, But IF the sinner does NOT repent the Sinner is the one who sends himself to Hell. He can NOT let sinners into heaven. WE become saved by what Jesus did on the Cross. That is the ONLY way to be forgiven by God.

The penalty for sin is Immediate Death. But the fact is GOD does Love us and gives us Many opportunities to choose him and his way is why we are NOT struck dead like Nadab & Abihu - Arrons 2 sons in the old testament and Ananias & Sapphira in the New testament.

God's Grace is that we are Still alive and we -YOU- still have a chance to change. Hell is Eternal Torment where GOD wants NO ONE to go that is why Jesus Died in YOUR and my place so that we can be saved! THAT is the ultimate symbol of Love.

God would rather go thru Death on the cross to Save us than to Spend eternity without us! That is TRUE Love!

All you have to do is Choose His sacrifice and accept it. He - God Meets us where we are in our sin and changes OUR lives for the better!
Only YOU can let him in! It is MOST serious Carlos!

Where YOU spend eternity is YOUR choice Hey want to see some Real evidence of the story of the Exodus? Put in your search bar "the search for the Real Mt Sinai" and watch the video evidence - Amazing! Oh and Carlos there is Much more evidence I can show you!