Yeah, well, that worked out so well for David that he decided to try something like it again. This time, though, he snuck into Saul's camp and stole his sword and water jug while Saul was sleeping.
So David and Abishai came to the people by night: and, behold, Saul lay sleeping within the trench, and his spear stuck in the ground at his bolster: but Abner and the people lay round about him … So David took the spear and the cruse of water from Saul's bolster; and they gat them away, and no man saw it, nor knew it, neither awaked: for they were all asleep; because a deep sleep from the LORD was fallen upon them. 1 Samuel 26.7-12Not nearly as impressive, I'd say. Especially when you consider that "a deep sleep from the LORD was fallen upon them." That sounds like cheating to me.
But Saul went gaga over it, just like he did for David's last trick. Here's what he said when David waved Saul's sword and water jug in front of him.
I have sinned: return, my son David: for I will no more do thee harm, because my soul was precious in thine eyes this day: behold, I have played the fool, and have erred exceedingly. ... Blessed be thou, my son David: thou shalt both do great things, and also shalt still prevail. 26.21- 25But David still didn't trust Saul, so he decided to join up with the Philistines. And every day he and his men would go out and slaughter people. The Philistine king would ask him, "Hey David, who'd you slaughter today" and he'd say, "Oh the south of Judah, or the Jerahmeelites, or the Kenites, or the Geshurites, or the Gezrites, or the Amalekites, or the Egyptians."
And David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites ... even unto the land of Egypt. ... And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites. 27.8-10He was a killing machine. Every day he slaughtered thousands of people for the Philistines. And he killed everyone: women, children, babies, the aged, the sick, the poor. Everyone.
And David saved neither man nor woman alive. 27.11So the Philistine king, Achish, loved David because David killed Israelites along with everybody else.
And Achish believed David, saying, He hath made his people Israel utterly to abhor him; therefore he shall be my servant for ever. 27.12
(David brags about at least six genocides in 1 Samuel 27.8-10. So I’ll add another 60,000 to the total, 10,000 for each genocide.)
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Don't forget that jug wasn't just keeping water. It was a potty! And we all know what Elohim said about toileting in a war-camp. So that was prime evidence against Saul.
On the second part: it seems obvious. The biblegod doesn't care for "my poeple" and "other people". What "he" cares is genocide. Genocide is good. The more you commit the better. That's the message of the Bible.
How do you come up with God believes Genocide is good. The ten commandments tell you not to kill, it's a sin and God hates anything sinful.
God cares about every single person on this earth. A single soul is worth more than everything in the world combined. "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
I'm just curious, what do you believe happened to all the people in Haiti who passed away? Where are the going to spend eternity?
Its all part of the mysterious plan Yahweh has.
Amelia,
"How do you come up with God believes Genocide is good."
I don't believe that God believes that genocide is good. I don't believe that God believes anything at all. Imaginary beings have no beliefs; they are atheists.
"I'm just curious, what do you believe happened to all the people in Haiti who passed away?"
Nothing. They died, Amelia. Not a single one survived his or her death. Death is final; that's why life is so precious.
Amelia, there is no ten commandment. Or at least noone know what they are. In the part the Bible would tell "the" ten commandment are actually hundred+ "commandments".
Also you refer to something out of context. Right after the "ten commandment" are parts commanding genocide towards some 6 nations, killing raped women, killing homosexual men etc. etc. etc., and now these stories what Steve writes posts and so on.
About "caring": from what it seems Yahwe cares to murder each and every human by himself. YOU shall not kill - until he commands. If he do not commands, then he do it himself.
Now about the Haiti-earthquake: the biblegod DOESN'T EXIST, never did, never will. Earthquakes are natural things, and Haiti is famous built above a crack, so when you live there you take that risk volunteerly (more or less). Also Haiti is way overpopulated. And because it is overpopulated is poor. (Unfortunatelly things turn overpopulated when you're poor, but that's another question.)
So everything happened on Haiti was predictable, and not surprising at all for me. I even say: if they'd be less, less dead. Also if they'd be less, the more money to spend on more stable houses = even less dead.
About the question of "spending eternity": they are dead. See? Dead. They aren't "spending eternity" anywhere. They are dead. Decomposing. Dead. They are no longer living, so no longer coscious, so they aren't "they" anymore. They are dead.
BUT if you ask me what to do with Haiti, according to the Bible: their soul are in Sheol, where all dead are, except those who go to heavens. And the biblegod cared for them this way: "he" is almighty, so HE is responsible for everything. HE made them poor, HE made them starving, HE made them overpopulated, HE put them above a crack of the Earth, HE started the earthquake, HE MURDERED THEM.
That's how your god cares.
Wow. I don't think I've ever heard of this story before, even before I left the Church.
David with the Philistines? The fuck? Let's see Handel try and make an oratorio out of that, suckas...
"They are dead. Decomposing. Dead. They are no longer living, so no longer coscious, so they aren't "they" anymore. They are dead."
Isn't that a line from a Monty Python sketch?
He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin choir invisible! This is an ex-Haitian!
What God says in the Bible and what men/women do in the Bible are two different things. It is unfortunate that people interpret the bible for their means and commit acts of genocide (or other) because the acts themselves are being depicted by famous biblical characters. Nowhere does it say in the passage that God approves of David's acts of genocide, or Cain's murder of his brother Able. On many occasions God regrets the creation of man and his free will.
The Bible teaches that God is all loving. This means, if the spirit of Satan were to ask for forgiveness from God, God would forgive the devil and welcome him back into the kingdom of heaven. Does this mean that God has approved of all the evil Satan has caused? No, it means that God loves all his creations in spite of their behavior. The Bible teaches that God knows there is life after death, so the punishment of death means they are no longer on earth, but elsewhere. We see this as bad because we don't want to die. When you read the Bible we see the firmest believers of God have doubts and falter in their faith. These characters don't know for sure what happens after you die and are afraid of death and God. There are many accounts of this in the Book. For instance, when Christ walked on water, Peter began to sink. Does this mean that Peter was really an atheist?
The Bible teaches the spirit is eternal. Even in today's technological context we know energy does not just evaporate into nothing - take a look at a radioactive isotope for example.
Man has never had the right to kill. In the Bible, God has made many attempts to detour such behavior, but Man intervenes. Moses in his interpretations of the commandments states people should be stoned to death in his judgments - but God never comes out and says people should be stoned to death by man. This is something that Moses said. Or when Noah condemns his son Ham for "looking upon him." This is something that Noah does, not God, but people interpreted this as justification for slavery although God never condemned Ham.
The Bible is also letting you know the context of the time period. If the Israelites were the "chosen" people and they were the least sinful of all the civilizations of this time, what does this tell you about the time period in which they lived?
There is also a huge difference between what God says, what God does, what people in the bible say, and what they do when even they misinterpret God as a reflection of humanity.
The argument that man is following God's example of killing is also fallible because man has never been God. God is the force of nature and man tries to harness this. Anytime man has tried to harness the power of God, disastrous consequences have always followed both in the Bible and in real life. The tower of Babel, The A-Bomb, etc. etc.
The bible avoids hiding Man's behavior and is very honest about these "great" biblical figures the mass Media have made to appear infallible when they really were very very human.
From Kings to Presidents people have taken advantage of people that don't read. Hitler is a perfect example of this.
If you're going to read the Bible, it is best to read it without an agenda. It is right to have to be fair to the interpretation, as it is not fair when Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. etc. do the same damn thing to manipulate people.
And please, please remember. We are all human and not infallible. I could be wrong myself. But just because you're an atheist does not mean you're not human. You're just as capable of genocide as everyone else. Perhaps some of your ancestors were guilty of genocide. Shake the family tree, I'm sure the killer gene will fall out somewhere. Even if humanity is a speck in the universe.
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If G-d did not approve he would have rejected David as king too. The only thing he did not allow was for David to build the Temple because he had blood on his hands.
God referred to david several times as a man who has done no wrong in his eyes which tells me he must have been pretty ok with davids genocides.
go read the bible, sometimes we dont know the whole story yet we judge , ask for understanding even some things may be beyond our comprehension , things will be revealed soon , be alert because our ways will be judged soon
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