20 June 2006

How to punish a thief: The Bible vs. the Quran

The Bible says that poor thieves, who cannot make restitution for what they have stolen, are to be sold into slavery.
If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. ... If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. -- Exodus 22:1-3

The Quran says that we should cut off their hands.

As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. -- Quran 5:38
So what should be done with poor thieves? Should they be sold into slavery or have their hands cut off? (Or should we cut off their hands and then sell them into slavery?)

14 comments:

Ahmad said...

let me get this straight.. rich theif can save them selfs with their wealth but poor thiefs get sold as slaves! hardly fair donĂ½ you think

Muhammad Farooqi said...

why a rich theif will make any theft!!!.... he actually doesn't mean to do that..


and for cutting one hand is a perfact punishment.. if there is only forgiveness.. then this thief can make more danger or big theft... or otherwise, either he... and all belonging to him or anybody who knows its outcomes, will never make theft!...

Regards

Jengie Jon said...

Not quite fair, slavery was time limited (maximum time 49 years actually to the next year of jubilee which was anything from 1 to 49 years away), so the thief sold in the bible was not sent to eternal punishment, but to actually work for the debts he owed.

Can You DIstinguish The Good & The Bad? said...

‘He who steals must steal no longer;
but rather he must labor,
performing with his own hands what is good,
so that he will have something to share with one who has need.’
Ephesians 4:28

Bible teaches about love n forgiveness more than the Quran does

Nick said...

I think that cutting off the thief's hand and then selling them into slavery would be kinda hard. Who would want to by a handicapped slave? maybe if he/she is just going to hold my towel or clean then maybe but you wont get much other than that.

Kechela said...

Always funny how atheists attack the bible out of context:

1) Jesus overturned this rule for Christianity
2) It is better to be sold into "slavery" which was more of a servitude than the modern day, exegesis slavery of the 1800's we think of today.

Enlighten on this one my intellectual superiors; all slaves were freed in Israel every 7 years. All debts cancelled, every debt gone.

BTW, what atheist in history, BEFORE JESUS PREACHED LOVE, actually taught the high morals with which you atheists now judge? None

The fact is, the world was a barbarian place where thieves were killed beyond measure and beyond the proportion of the crime they committed.

Good thing we had the Bible limiting punishments to control people's desires. Eye for an Eye is not so disgusting when you consider that they didn't have "Love they enemy" and "turn the other cheek" back then - we do, and you foolish atheists forget that those wonderful rules of love came from Christianity 2000 years before you woke up one day and thought you were smarter than thousands of years of theism.

11-year old Atheist said...

"Always funny how atheists attack the bible out of context"

Please see NonStampCollector's video called Context

"Jesus overturned this rule for Christianity"

I thought Jesus was God. God is Omniscient. So why not just not put the rule in the Bible in the first place?

2) It is better to be sold into "slavery" which was more of a servitude than the modern day, exegesis slavery of the 1800's we think of today."

Let see what the Bible says about the issue.

"His master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever."
-Exod. 2:16

"BTW, what atheist in history, BEFORE JESUS PREACHED LOVE, actually taught the high morals with which you atheists now judge? None"

I thought before and after Jesus atheists were killed or excommunicated. So they couldn't preach ANYTHING. Also what does this prove? Nothing! That statement proves nothing.

"and you foolish atheists forget that those wonderful rules of love came from"

When you say that you violate the wonderful rules of love that Jesus preached.

"but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
-Matt. 5:22

Also are you SURE that Jesus' words are wonderful rules of love?

-Bye

ogunitracy said...

@ 11-year old Atheist

You're doing exactly what the other guy said - quoting out of context

Exodus 21:5,6
“But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

Bashing Christianity does not prove that God does not exist, by the way so I hope you have enough proof for yourself.

@ Jengie Jon
Slavery was six years maximum. The 50th year was the year of Jubilee in which they didn't plant but miraculously got food.

Faraz Khan said...

OMG! Muslims are so violent. Oh wait what's this??? I kept reading after 5:38 and 5:39 says: "...But whoever repents after his wrongdoing and reforms, indeed, Allah will turn to him in forgiveness."

Hmmmmmmmm. Muslim Judge to theif: I can sentence you to have your hand cut off.... unless you repent" Awwwww muslims are so violent. It shows from their statistics also, millions of people with one hand versus sooooo few in slavery in the west.

Faraz Khan said...

I am an idiot for reading further than Quran 5:38. 5:39..."But whoever repents after his wrongdoing and reforms, indeed, Allah will turn to him in forgiveness."

Awwwww muslims are so violent, seeing that are millions of people with a hand missing, versus sooooo few slaves in west.

martiendejong said...

May I suggest killing them instead? As a man with no hand is not useful, as is a stealing servant.
Also, stealing comes from inequality. By promoting equality we might be able to prevent theft.

Imy red said...

Total ignorance from ignorant people. It is totally forbidden in Islamic law to cut the hand of the thief if they steal for food, medicine, out of need etc etc. For the hand of the thief to be cut, the theft should be of a set significant value. Thus a poor thief would have the right to steal if he was stealing to feed himself and his family.

Ahmad said...

To add to the above comment. The law of cutting the hand is not activated if there are obstacles to people to make honest living and if the country is in economical resession.

Hasan Kamal said...

According to Islamic laws, the hand of the thief should be cut if he has stolen something. It does not belong to him and hurts the people by stealing the things.