01 September 2006

Satan vs God: past and future killings

In previous posts, I've tried to total the number of people killed by God and Satan in the Bible, as well as provide some estimates of their future plans in that regard. Here's a table that summarizes the results. (Follow the links in the table for the details.)
God Satan
Total number killed (not including un-numbered killings) 2,301,417 10
Total killings (estimated) 33 million 60
Planned future killings 3,300,000,000 0

22 comments:

tc399 said...

Those numbers are incorrect by orders of magnitude. If one accepts that God gives life and takes it back, every living thing which has ever existed on earth or ever will exist are His victims. That number immediately goes into the trillions and that is simply counting human victims.

Steve Wells said...

tc399 said...

"Those numbers are incorrect by orders of magnitude."

Not if you're talking about the number of people killed in the Bible, which is what the table summarizes.

Marshal said...

If we're saying God gave life to all, then all can be slightly grateful for what little pleasure they were able to experience before God allowed them to die, or killed them himself. But really, athiests haven't been any kinder than the God of the Bible. Look at Stalin-responsible for about 50 million deaths/murders himself.

Seth said...

But wait. If you are a Christian, you're going to buy the line that through Satan, death came into the world. So then that means Satan killed everyone.

If you're an athiest, well then you don't believe any of this God nonsense. So then really who killed whom? Do parents get the blame? They created life through their reproduction, so then it's their fault their kids die. Or do we just blame entropy? After all, the laws of the universe say that things will slow down, break apart and disintegrate over time.

But why are we whining about death anyways? That's what happens. Things live. Things die. Do ants sit around questioning who killed whom? Maybe. Who knows.

Anonymous said...

But really, athiests haven't been any kinder than the God of the Bible. Look at Stalin-responsible for about 50 million deaths/murders himself.

Not that I like to be a pedant or ruin your lovely analogy but atheists don't worship Stalin and hold him up as an example of perfection. If christians agree that god is no better than stalin it begs the question as to why they worship him.

Anonymous said...

So how many has God killed in the old Testement verses the New Testement?

Anne Johnson said...

Isn't the definitive number for people allowed into heaven 144,000? Surely that quota has been filled by now.

Metro said...

144,000 in heaven is the limit?

There should be plenty of room then, as I can't think of more than a half-dozen souls who'd qualify.

Anonymous said...

"You're forgetting the temporal nature of "this" world and that death is meaningless in light of eternity

Aww sick! Il' just go around killing everyone then, giving them a shortcut to heaven! Oh wait, the bible say's I shouldn't do that...it seems to state that dealing death is bad. It seems to regard death as meaningfull in that sense.

"death is meaningless" seems to be being a bit blasphemous there friend :P.

You also seem to speak about such things as if they are absolute fact, when in reality, all your doing getting this infomation from a 10000 year old book.

No really, please can any christian tell me why I should belive in the aboslute/unliteral etc truth of the bible over that of Harry potter?

JtotheP said...

Jesus liked to answer the Pharisees with a question when they asked one...so i would like to see atheists answer this one. Prove to me that God doesn't exist.....
good luck.

Brucker said...

I can't believe I never thought of this before, but your body count for Satan turns out to be off by quite a bit: http://abunchofbiblediscussions.blogspot.com/2007/03/jobs-hidden-burden.html

NaLalina said...

to jtothep: If you believe that unicorns don't exist, prove to me that unicorns don't exist.

to brucker: hundreds or thousands killed by Satan is still less than millions or billions killed by God

Robert said...

You people arguing seriously about these numbers makes me want to add to that number starting with the top of this list. diaf plz

aaron said...

No matter what anyone says, creating something doesn't give you the right to kill it.

ramen said...

If I see one more use of the acronym "diaf," I'm going to ask God MYSELF to Sodomize the Internet. When I say Sodomize, I mean what God did to the city of Sodom, not what the marriage laws of America are doing to gays.
-shayn nicely

Becca H said...

where do your numbers come from?

Steve Wells said...

Becca H,

Just click on the link (the number) in the table and it will take you to a post that explains where the number came from.

josh said...

Marshal said... "Look at Stalin-responsible for about 50 million deaths/murders himself."

I realize your comment is very old at this point, but for the sake of anyone else that reads this garbage let me draw a distinction.

Steve's list includes killings by God or ordered by God. These killings were done "In God's name" so to speak. When you point to Stalin, you're arguing that a killing done by an atheist is equivalent to a killing ordered by God or condoned by God. That's a false equivocation! If you're going to take that position, then you must compare the murder committed by Stalin to any murder committed by a Christian. I don't think you want to go down that road as it would greatly inflate Steve's already monstrous numbers. Let's take, for instance, the holocaust. Hitler was a Roman Catholic, so even though one might debate whether his atrocities were divinely inspired or condoned, you cannot debate the fact that it was ordered by a Christian. Shall we discuss the Crusades? The French religion wars? The ongoing battle between Catholics and protestants in Ireland? Stick to Steve's methodology would be my advice. To do otherwise only digs you into a greater hole of tyranny.

J92185 said...

God vs. Satan... God has killed more people. I have a question for you. Who has SAVED more people? God gives abundant, eternal life. Satan leads people astray to death and eternal punishment and wrath.

I would rather die on the side of a God who saves then live for Satan who seduces people into destruction. If you aren't a child of God, then you are by default a child of Satan. "There is a way that seems right to a man, but leads to DEATH."

So yes, God has poured out wrath (that we deserve!), God has killed... but only that same God can save, only He holds the key to eternal life (which we don't deserve!).

You have a choice- God/life or Satan/death. "As for me and my household- we will serve the LORD"

Face said...

To J92185...Your rationalization is incorrect, because you rely on a fact that is not true. The blog author does not believe in Satan either. God/Satan is the same made up story. The author was just trying to make a point when comparing the acts of God and Satan as portrayed in the Bible, which also happens to be a book of fairytales. In sum, there is no Satan and there is no God, just people's imagination.

Ana Lorena Victor said...

Satan's attorney at work, this is sooo funny, he really got you. Satan killings are not reported, they are the ones killed on the street today, the ones overdose, the one who shot others because they are mad, the ones who got sick, you cannot come even close. And by the way, what do you care about the people who died, you feed them, do they owe you anything? We all are in debt with God, if you don't pay boy, you have it coming.

Mike Dillon said...

@Anna Victor,
My god I'm sick of people like you walking like OH YOU DONT BELIEVE LIKE ME? WELL YOUR GOING TO HELL!
let me tell you this. according to the bible god created hell, then everything in the universe, then created this all encomposing and unalterable plan. he therefore is ultimately responsible for sending people to hell.