But that didn't include some of God's most impressive slaughters. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? The Bible doesn't say, so there's no way to know for sure. But it's possible to provide rough estimates in order to get a grand total, and that's what I'm attempting here. (New total: 35 million.)
| | Verse | Number killed | Cumulative total
|
|---|
| 1
| God drowns everyone of earth (except Noah and his family)
| Genesis 7:23 | 30,000,000?
| 30,000,000
|
| 2
| God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone.
| Genesis 19:24 | 1,000?
| 30,001,000
|
| 3
| Lot's wife for looking back
| Genesis 19:26
| 1
| 30,001,001
|
| 4
| Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord"
| Genesis 38:7, 1 Chronicles 2:3
| 1
| 30,001,002
|
| 5
| Onan for spilling his seed
| Genesis 38:10 | 1
| 30,001,003
|
| 6
| A 7 year, world-wide famine
| Genesis 41:25-54
| 70,000 ?
| 30,071,003
|
| 7
| 7th Egyptian Plague: Hail
| Exodus 9:25 | 300,000?
| 30,371,003
|
| 8
| God kills every Egyptian firstborn child.
| Exodus 12:29-30 | 1,000,000?
| 31,371,003
|
| 9
| God drowns Egyptian army
| Exodus 14:8-26 | 5000?
| 31,376,003
|
| 10
| God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites
| Exodus 17:13 | 1000?
| 31,377,003
|
| 11
| Israelites for dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf
| Exodus 32:27-28, 35
| 3000
| 31,380,003
|
| 12
| God plagued the people because of the calf that Aaron made
| Exodus 32:35 | 1000
| 31,381,003
|
| 13 | Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord
| Leviticus 10:1-3; Numbers 3:4, 26:61
| 2
| 31,381,005
|
| 14
| A blasphemer
| Leviticus 24:10-23
| 1
| 31,381,006
|
| 15
| God burned people to death for complaining
| Numbers 11:1 | 100?
| 31,381,106
|
| 16
| God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food.
| Numbers 11:33 | 10,000?
| 31,391,106
|
| 17
| God killed ten scouts with a plague.
| Numbers 14:35-36 | 10
| 31,391,116
|
| 18
| A man who gathered firewood on the sabbath
| Numbers 15:32-36 | 1
| 31,391,117
|
| 19
| Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families)
| Numbers 16:27 | 12
| 31,391,129
|
| 20
| Burned to death for offering incense
| Numbers 16:35 | 250
| 31,391,379
|
| 21
| For complaining
| Numbers 16:49 | 14,700
| 31,406,079
|
| 22
| Massacre of the Aradites
| Numbers 21:1-3 | 3,000?
| 31,409,079
|
| 23
| For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died.
| Numbers 21:6 | 100?
| 31,409,179
|
| 24
| God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive."
| Numbers 21:34-35 | 2,000?
| 31,411,179
|
| 25
| Phinehas impales a mixed-race couple having sex
| Numbers 25:6-8
| 2
| 31,411,181
|
| 26
| Israelites for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab"
| Numbers 25:9
| 24,000
| 31,435,181
|
| 27
| Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive)
| Numbers 31:1-35 | 200,000
| 31,635,181
|
| 28
| God kills the entire Israelite army
| Deuteronomy 2:14-16 | 500,000
| 32,135,181
|
| 29
| The slaughter of the Zamzummim, Horim, Avim, and the Caphtorim
| Deuteronomy 2:21-22 | 10,000?
| 32,145,181
|
| 30
| God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities)
| Deuteronomy 2:33-34 | 3,000?
| 32,148,181
|
| 31
| All the men, women, and children in 60 cities
| Deuteronomy 3:3-6 | 60,000?
| 32,208,181
|
| 32
| Massacre of Jericho
| Joshua 6:21 | 1,000?
| 32,209,181
|
| 33
| Achan (and his his sons and daughters) for taking the accursed thing
| Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26
| 5
| 32,209,186
|
| 34
| The Ai Massacre
| Joshua 8:1-25 | 12,000
| 32,221,186
|
| 35
| God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape.
| Joshua 10:10-11 | 5,000?
| 32,226,186
|
| 36
| Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees
| Joshua 10:24-26 | 5
| 32,226,191
|
| 37
| Massacre of 7 kingdoms
| Joshua 10:28-42 | 7,000?
| 32,233,191
|
| 38
| The remining kingdoms
| Joshua 11:8-12 | 10,000?
| 32,243,191
|
| 39
| Massacre of the Anakim
| Joshua 11:20-21 | 5,000?
| 32,248,191
|
| 40
| God delivers the Canaanites and Perizzites
| Judges 1:4 | 10,000?
| 32,258,191
|
| 41
| The Jerusalem Massacre
| Judges 1:8
| 1000
| 32,259,191
|
| 42
| Ten Massacres, a wedding, and some God-proof iron chariots
| Judges 1:9-25
| 10,000
| 32,269,191
|
| 43
| The LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim
| Judges 3:7-10
| 1000
| 32,270,191
|
| 44
| Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife in the belly | Judges 3:15-22
| 1
| 32,270,192
|
| 45
| God delivers 10,000 Moabites
| Judges 3:28-29 | 10,000
| 32,280,192
|
| 46
| Barak and God Massacre the Canaanites
| Judges 4:14 | 1,000?
| 32,281,192
|
| 47
| Jael pounds a tent stake through a
sleeping man's head
| Judges 4:18-25
| 1
| 32,281,193
|
| 48
| God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other
| Judges 7:22, 8:10
| 120,000
| 32,401,193
|
| 49
| A city is massacred and 1000 burn to death because of God's evil spirit
| Judges 9:23-57
| 2001
| 32,403,194
|
| 50
| The Ammonite massacre and Jephthah's daughter
| Judges 11:32-33 | 20,001
| 32,423,195
|
| 51
| The spirit of the Lord comes on Samson and he murders 30 men for their clothes
| Judges 14:19 | 30
| 32,423,225
|
| 52
| The Spirit of the Lord comes upon Samson and he kills 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass
| Judges 15:14-15 | 1,000
| 32,424,225
|
| 53
| Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism
| Judges 16:27-30 | 3,000
| 32,427,225
|
| 54
| "The Lord smote Benjamin"
| Judges 20:35-37 | 25,100
| 32,452,325
|
| 55
| God smites more Benjamites
| Judges 20:44-46 | 25,000
| 32,477,325
|
| 56
| For looking into the ark of the Lord
| 1 Samuel 6:19 | 50,070
| 32,527,395
|
| 57
| God delievered Philistines to Jonathan
| 1 Samuel 14:12 | 20
| 32,527,415
|
| 58
| God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other.
| 1 Samuel 14:20 | 1,000?
| 32,528,415
|
| 59
| God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child.
| 1 Samuel 15:2-3 | 1,000?
| 32,529,415
|
| 60
| Samuel hacks Agag to pieces before the Lord
| 1 Samuel 15:32-33
| 1
| 32,529,416
|
| 61
| God delivers the Philistines.
| 1 Samuel 23:2-5 | 1,000?
| 32,530,416
|
| 62
| "The Lord smote Nabal."
| 1 Samuel 25:38 | 1
| 32,530,417
|
| 63
| God delivers the Philistines to David (again).
| 2 Samuel 5:19, 25
| 1,000?
| 32,531,417
|
| 64
| Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling
| 2 Samuel 6:6-7, 1 Chronicles 13:9-10 | 1
| 32,531,418
|
| 65
| David and Bathsheba's baby boy
| 2 Samuel 12:14-18
| 1
| 32,531,419
|
| 66
| God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did.
| 2 Samuel 21:1 | 5,000?
| 32,536,419
|
| 67
| The seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord
| 2 Samuel 21:6-9 | 7
| 32,536,426
|
| 68
| From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children)
| 2 Samuel 24:15, 1 Chronicles 21:14 | 200,000
| 32,736,426
|
| 69
| A lion is sent by God to kill a prophet for believing another prophet's lie
| 1 Kings 13:1-24 | 1
| 32,736,427
|
| 70
| Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord."
| 1 Kings 15:29 | 1,000?
| 32,737,427
|
| 71
| Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord."
| 1 Kings 16:11-12 | 1,000?
| 32,738,427
|
| 72
| Religious leaders killed in a prayer contest
| 1 Kings 18:22-40 | 450
| 32,738,877
|
| 73
| God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands
| 1 Kings 20:28-29 | 100,000
| 32,838,877
|
| 74
| God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers
| 1 Kings 20:30 | 27,000
| 32,865,877
|
| 75
| God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet
| 1 Kings 20:35-36 | 1
| 32,865,878
|
| 76
| Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god
| 2 Kings 1:2-4, 17; 2 Chronicles 22:7-9 | 1
| 32,865,879
|
| 77
| Burned to death by God
| 2 Kings 1:9-12 | 102
| 32,865,981
|
| 78
| God sends two bears to kill 42 children for making fun of Elisha's bald head
| 2 Kings 2:23-24 | 42
| 32,866,023
|
| 79
| An unbeliever is trampled to death
| 2 Kings 7:17-20 | 1
| 32,866,024
|
| 80
| God calls for a seven year famine.
| 2 Kings 8:1 | 10,000?
| 32,876,024
|
| 81
| Jezebel
| 2 Kings 9:33-37 | 1
| 32,876,025
|
| 82
| Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord"
| 2 Kings 10:16-17 | 100?
| 32,876,125
|
| 83
| God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners for not fearing him
| 2 Kings 17:25-26 | 20
| 32,876,145
|
| 84
| Sleeping Assyrian soldiers
| 2 Kings 19:35; Isaiah 37:36
| 185,000
| 33,061,145
|
| 85
| Saul
| 1 Chronicles 10:14
| 1
| 33,061,146
|
| 86
| God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah
| 2 Chronicles 13:15-17
| 500,000
| 33,561,146
|
| 87
| Jeroboam
| 2 Chronicles 13:20
| 1
| 33,561,147
|
| 88
| "The Lord smote the Ethiopians."
| 2 Chronicles 14:9-14
| 1,000,000
| 34,561,147
|
| 89
| God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out
| 2 Chronicles 21:14-19
| 1
| 34,561,148
|
| 90
| Judean soldiers killed for forsaking God
| 2 Chronicles 28:6 | 120,000
| 34,681,148
|
| 91
| God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans.
| 2 Chronicles 36:16-17
| 1000?
| 34,682,148
|
| 92
| God and Satan kill Job's children and servants
| Job 1:1-19
| 60?
| 34,682,208
|
| 93
| Ezekiel's wife
| Ezekiel 24:15-18 | 1
| 34,682,209
|
| 94
| Ananias and Sapphira
| Acts 5:1-10
| 2
| 34,682,211
|
| 95
| Herod
| Acts 12:23
| 1
| 34,682,212
|
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34 comments:
Shouldn't the death of Jesus be included? From a certain point of view...
Yeah, you're probably right, Lief. Jesus could be added to the list. But it's complicated. Did God kill Jesus? Did Jesus commit suicide? Or was he just another criminal executed by the Romans?
In any case, his death was all a part of God's perverted premeditated plan (if you're foolish enough to believe what the Bible says, anyway). So I'm leaning toward adding him.
33 million is mind-boggling. To hear some Christians, God still hasn't stopped killing since the Bible (Katrina, etc.). So I'm sure his grand total throughout time, even if Christians quibble with a count here or there, would have to be at least 33 million.
Steve, your posts on this inspired me to do some additional math. I've posted the results on my blog (direct link here).
Some highlights (using Steve's and Wikipedia's numbers):
* Any one of the 185 least populous countries/territories in the world taken individually could have ALL its people murdered, and it would still not quite reach God's total.
* Someone could kill ALL the inhabitants of the 80 least countries/territories places COMBINED and still be about a million short of God's total in the Bible.
* The TOP 20 cities in the US could have their ENTIRE population croak on the spot (32.4 million people in all), and God's total would still be almost 1 million more.
* The Beach Boys could butcher the inhabitants of all the places they mentioned in the song "Kokomo", and they'd still fall about 28 million short of God's total.
What about God's people slicing up all a city's males while they're writhing in pain from circumcision? Genesis 34.
Tom,
Yeah, that was pretty nasty. But is there something in the text that shows that the killings were commanded, inspired, or approved by God? If so, then I should add it to the list.
I Am,
Your blog entry is great. And I see that you comment is mentioned on the Good blog.
Well, it appears God did not sanction the willy-dicing followed by impaling. It seems to have gone unpunished, however, and to have worked to their advantage for Jacob to settle in Bethel. Gen 35:5.
Glad you liked the blog entry, Steve. And thanks for mentioning that my comment was included on the Good blog. I checked it out and it looks like a good site (no pun intended). I see your other post about how God kills people is on cynical-c.com, so your series of posts on this seemed to have struck a chord with people.
Tom, I also usually lean towards thinking that if something's in the Bible and God doesn't condemn it, then he's tacitly approving it. But I understand not including it in the tally. God has plenty of blood on his hands even without including cases that might be more open to debate.
I've always found this bit from Exodus amusing:
4:24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.
4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
I.e., Moses is returning to Egypt to free his people when "the LORD" physically attacks him in a tavern. Mrs. Moses saves her husband's life by mutilating her son's genitals.
What kind of god is this? He can casually smite more than 33 million with a wave of his hand, but in the bar he's as awkward a fighter as any cowboy in a Friday night saloon? Read that again: "sought to kill him." No lightning bolts, no sudden transformation to a pillar of salt, just (it appears) good old bare knuckle brawling.
I don't remember that one, fredludd. That is some messed up stuff. I'm (re)reading the Bible for the first time from start to finish, and I'm almost scared to find out what other crazy stories I either never read when I was a believer or have since forgotten.
Ypu are all VERY wrong and VERY short of the total.
God is responsible for the death of every man, woman and child who has ever lived. It was his CHOICE in anger and fear to make man mortal.
Second, since god basically controls everything, he is also responsible for all premature deals for anyone who has ever lived.
Think Aushwitz, Katrina, Darfur, Saladin, Vlad The Impaler, and all the horrible, painful deaths ever experienced. All of the human misery multiplied out to the survivors.
What you end up with is that God, is actually Satan, the doer of evil. A bigoted slaver, lusting after virgins,
Worse, the bible says there is no sex in heaven. But wait, um, doesn't that sound like hell?
I rest my case :)
Did you guys ever consider as to why God killed these people off?
Most of these people openly insulted God, lied to Him, stole from Him or were living in a lifestyle totally contrary to how He designed us to live.
Doesn't the Bible say He is All loving? If He is all loving He'd have to also be perfectly Just, all knowing, omni-present... thats what He claims about Himself anyway.
From yalls reasoning the God of the Bible is eather lying, or doesn't exist. But i propose that Since He is perfect his judgment is also perfect. Just as water will never mix with oil, molecularly, never. But our view of perfect has been poisoned with the idea of that trait also entitling the Being with perfect/infinite toleration.
If me child says "NO" to me he is due a spanking, some for of discipline. If God, given everyone fair chance at obeying Him (like you'd expect a child to obey you with holding your hand while crossing the street for there own safety) and we say NO in His face through our actions/attitudes then why is it "unfair" for God to execute perfect judgment?
GodChaser, you're right. Job's wife must have had it coming since God's wager with the devil is evidence of His perfect judgment.
God says "I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion and show mercy on whom I will show mercy"
The Bible also says "his ways are not our ways"
My heart really goes out to all of you on this website who are missing out on a loving relationship with your creator.
But the Bible is also correct in saying that man in the midst of our wickedness have set our hearts against God. You are all blind, and you have all been deceived by your father, the Devil.
There is no one righteous, not even one. The wages of sin is death. Therefore we ALL deserve eternal punishment, but God out of his LOVE and MERCY gave himself as a sacrfifce for our sins. And all we have to do to have eternal life is BELIEVE in him. Which none of you clearly do. I pray that before you die you put your faith in Christ b/c one day you will stand in judgement before Him. You will be found guilty and you will be punished for your sins if not covered in the blood of Christ.
Someone please answer this question for me... WHY ARE YOU ALL SO ANGRY WITH GOD?
You were created by Him and for Him and even in the midst of your wickedness and sinning he still died for you. Who of you would die for someone who hates you? God did that for each of you. You hate Him and He still chose to die so that you could choose to have eternal life. But it is a choice. HE LOVES YOU "while you are yet a sinner".
I will be praying for your souls, this blog truly breaks my heart for all of you.
J9, you're asking "WHY ARE YOU ALL SO ANGRY WITH GOD?" -- I'll venture a guess. He reportedly killed millions of people, for some extremely trivial reasons. And that doesn't count the animal slaughters.
So, yeah, I'm usually angry with mass murderers. Especially when they kill innocent children, and people who complain about a lack of food, and such.
To me, the God in the Bible is undeniably violent, cruel, egomaniacal, and unbalanced... I have a hard time understanding how followers can continue talking about how loving and perfect He is.
The devil is not my father. My father is my father. I believe there may be a loving God. I just don't think he's the God in the Bible.
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Stop wasting energy on all this nonsense. Just throw out the Old Testament study the life of Jesus his worldview and let it serve as an example.
I did.
PEACE
"All You Need Is Love"
John Winston Lennon
J92185: Honestly your argument supports a view of God which is contrary to the expression shown in Jesus.
How do you begin to reconcile the nature of Jehovah and the acts ascribed to him in the Old Testament with the idea of Perfect Love-Mercy-Grace which Christ demonstrated on Earth?
The Law came by Moses.
So did the concept of an insane, angry, judgemental God.
You obviously do not really believe that Christ work on the cross was a work of total Reconciliation.
Go and really study scripture and the ancient cultures of the times.
PEACE
"All You Need Is Love"
John Winston Lennon
maye you should read genesis chapter 4 verses 13 to 15 and you will realise that there was demonic life form upon the earth .dont forget that satan was cast upon the earth before adam and eve was created ,and also after cain slew abel he said to god that his burden was to much and he said he was worried that someone might find him and kill him notice he said someone not some-ting .thats right demonic life form satans angels ..so in gods defense all those ones who were killed were probs of demonic origin who were possessed ,by demonic spirits .because who really is a killer ..satan is and god says that satan seeks,kills,and destroys ..satans a corrupter of minds and a deciever who not only decieves people he decieves nations...so go read the bible again from genesis and when you get to the part about cain worrying bout getting killed ,think about it .who could have killed him ..well ,not his mum and dad he was thrown out from them ,,god no because he put a mark of protection on him ..satan and his demons yes there the ones but would not allow that .so if god was such a killer why did he not kill cain for murdering his brother ..think about it and study the scriptures well
Eagle you should be wary of presumption and conjecture when interpreting scripture. There is no credible timeline regarding the so-called fall of Satan recorded in the text of either the old or new testaments.
In fact if one were to consider the entire matter literally and hold that Genesis was indeed the first book and Revelation the final book it is in fact contradictory.
The supportive scripture for any basis of a personage of evil in Christian theology is only a handful of verses.
The first two are IS:14 and EZ: 28.
Both chapters are directed by name or title as follows.
IS: 14 Lucifer: Son Of The Morning
EZ: 28 King Of Tyrus/ Prince Of Tyrus
These two scriptures have formed the foundation of the Christian view of a personification of evil or “Satan”. However: Neither clearly speaks specifically of the “Devil” and any basis of interpretation can only be based on metaphor, which lends to conjecture and presumption by the adherents of this belief.
It should be noted that both scriptures interpreted toward the actual personage of a literal “Devil” show the “Fall of Satan” as presently happening or having already taken place in relation to the lifetimes of the two Prophets.
REV: 12
If we accept the record of scripture as being chronologically accurate and its timeline precise it is contradictory. If according to fundamental almost Christianity the record of Revelation is in fact an apocalyptic tome the “fall of Satan” is fully in the future.
THE GOSPELS
LK: 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
The record of Jesus himself appears to support a past incident. This presumption gives full credence to the writings of Ezekiel and Isaiah.
However to play the “Devils Advocate” in this issue let us consider that Christ is both Omniscient knowing the end from the beginning and Omnipresent-occupying all time and space and certainly unbound by the time-space continuum. If we accept this then could Jesus as well have spoken of a future event as Revelation records?
How do you reconcile this?
You also presume that the only life on Earth at the time of Adam was as you stated:
“ Probably of demonic origin" Your own use of the term word “probably” denotes your statement is a matter of speculation on your part.
In response I offer these queries.
To whom then did Cain take as wives?
To whom then was the linage of righteous Seth wed seeing that scripture clearly prohibits incestuous relationships in any manner?
You should understand that the Genesis account of Chapter 2-4 takes place only in the mind of Adam. It is again pure conjecture that Adam was in physical flesh form prior to Genesis 3:18
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Traditionally it is taught that this was a blood atonement of some innocent animal to make allowance for the sin of taking of the tree.
This is more speculation and private religious interpretation that has been added to the scripture to say otherwise.
A cursory examination of scripture supports Genesis 3:18
Here are but a few.
HEBREWS: 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
HEBREWS 10: 6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure
HEBREWS: 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
That being said the “Serpent” was formed by Adam in his own soul which he would later call Eve.
Christianity created the personified Devil and his demons.
Study to show thyself approved.
PEACE
“All You Need Is Love”
John Winston Lennon
This is the ironic part. People get this information from the Bible and that's the only thing they focus on because its an easy target...the same Bible where you get this information from also says that God's ways are higher than our ways [Isaiah 55:9], God is Omniscient, God is in control, and God is total wisdom, implying there is a reason for everything that we might not understand because we are limited.
So if you're going to accept and place value for these deaths and murders then its only right to accept the rest of what the Bible says. Who says you get to pick and chose which one you like best and least? Its an example of Favoritism, custom tailored for your argument...
Its like me reading Hitler's biography and hand selecting certain parts in my favor like "Oh Hitler went to Church so he must be a good person!"..and then looking for similar examples while leaving everything else out like his hate and violence and dismiss everything as whole just so I can construct a biased argument...
what's wrong with that picture?
Either accept the Bible as a whole and its messages or don't accept anything at all.
Hercules is partly right.
But a studied christian do knows that also.
God indeed kills, as you have pointed, and the idea of only a "all loving" God is a mistake as true as seen God only as a vengeful forever punishing being.
There are a lot of christians, also, who wrongly believe in both, too,
that´s why atheists attack this statement so much.
@ Hercules
Atheists do not believe the Bible. But Christians keep telling us it is the written word of God, or inspired by God, or other crap like that. So we do look at it as a whole, and yes we dissect it because the talking points are so numerous and so large that it takes a whole post or blog to speak on one point.
This particular post of this blog and subsequential posts deal with the fact that God is claimed to be and loving and all forgiving God by Christians and we are citing examples of the hypocrisy of such a statement and the fact that God was a murderous vindictive and jealous person who killed for reasons we don't even allow each other (regardless of faith) to kill for.
So if Christians want to use the Bible as a source of "God is this and this" then we too must use the Bible to prove the Bible wrong.
@ Steve Wells - Wise Fool had an estimate up of 1,000,000 for the 7-year worldwide famine. You may want to look into that.
Fragged Mind, thanks for your input and I understand that atheist don't believe in what the Bible says. I had a hard time understanding that God is all love especially when I read the Book of Joshua. However, the Bible doesn't say that God is ONLY all love. He is equally "all just" as well. I know you're going to say, "well what about the babies? They didn't deserve to die". To be honest I don't think anyone knows the exact answer that would satisfy anyone but if God is all-just as well, I would assume that those babies are in a far better place that nothing earthly can comprehend or compare. That only presupposes that death is a bad thing. I have my own views on that. That is using the Bible for the Bible.
Also, a huge portion of those statistics mentioned above are biased and do not document the reasoning behind it which makes a huge difference. It would take entire blogs to write all of it down.
Its like me generating a list of people that were executed. Some people would be outraged at the justice system because of that list. But If I told them the entire story of "why" they were executed, due to them killing and raping dozens of women, then their view now changes. Now I'm not saying every single account, but I'm saying several. I'm sure you can agree that Details make a Difference and I believe details should be accounted for.
I'm not a pastor or anything but I may have some answers so please name one event where you perceive that God was a vindictive and jealous person. Thanks.
Herculeas, all souls belong to God, Ultimatley he does with everyone whatsoever he will.
Ultimatley God is in control and therefore the responsible individual for everyones welfair.
Jesus says that man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God. So this article is incorrect.
God kills every one.
@ Hercules
While you make some valid points, the problem is the "Why." People complain, God kills them. People masturbate, God kills them. People get curious, God kills them. People blaspheme, God kills them. People get stuff on a "Holy" Day, God kills them. People disagree with messengers of God, God kills them. People do not follow God's plan because God is vague, God kills people.
We have the reasons why in most of these cases, and some have in depth looks into each (the first 18 do), but yet God's "all-just" attitude is more like a 3rd grader's revenge.
Teacher: "Billy. Why did you hit Jimmy?"
Billy: "Because he called me stupid."
Teacher: *facepalm*
Moses: "God. Why did you kill Josephus the 23rd?"
GOD: "Because he was complaining about the weather."
Moses: "Okay my LORD."
See the parallels?
God's sense of what is Just and what is Right doesn't even come close to what we allow in society.
Let's take God out for a minute.
What would you say if you and I, hypothetically, were out walking in the city, say Albuquerque where it is nice and hot this time of year, and we had like 5 people with us. One of them started complaining about the heat and I just up and kill them. What would you think?
Remember...all this person did was make a complaint about the heat.
I personally do not understand the extended debate on this issue.
The record of the Old Testament must be seriously analyzed and scutinized thoroughly. Much of the character attributed to Jehovah is hardly that associated with a being of high intellect much less divinity.
The very image of Jehovah as represented through the "cunningly devised Jewish fables' to quote Paul was so maligned that it necessitated God to reveal his true nature in Christ.
Much of the Old Testament record is suspect even by its own account.
A great deal of the foundation of the Torah as it pertains to both law and temple ritual and observances are denied by scripture references.
I have often stated that Christ was the mirror of the Father as he himself testified "If you have seen me..you have seen the Father"
It should also be noted that both Christ as well as Paul spoke unfavorably at times in reference to both Moses and the law.
Also as I have gone on record before as pointing out that the Old Testament law is NEVER directly associated with being authored by Jehovah by any but the author of the Penteauch (Moses)
Every other scriptural reference is to the "Law of Moses" the "Commandment of Moses" or the "Book Of Moses"
By even a brief preponderence of these facts it is a foregone conclusion that the scriptures that do not denote a divine being are in fact of human origin.
PEACE
"All You Need Is Love"
John Winston Lennon
I agree. I believe that God is much more forgiving in relation to mans imperfections. In fact Jesus makes this statement.
Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
People who ascribe purpose to a persons death or to a tragic event.... they could be wrong if they are referring to some spiritual reasoning.
I think it always best to be nonjudgemental in the matter and leave the rest up to God. For one thing it leads to a happier life. And I am lothe to burden those around me to much unless I know they are devout.
Bob I must say that Jesus did not speak unfavorably concerning Moses law but rather against its administaration of it. He railed constantly against the religious hiarchy for burdening the people with too many rules, many of which they apparently made up for nefarious purposes.
Jesus says, "I come not to put aside the law and the prophets but to fullfill them".
He also warns Christians Not to teach a putting aside of the Law.
So Christians are forgiven and live a much more free life and have but to ask to be forgiven their fopas and transgressions and be good people (turn the other cheek and do unto others ect.) and get for free these gifts that had to be so earned by the Isrealites prior to Jesus.
One last thought. There are nuts in every catagory of mankind. And I might be one of them.
What god? :-)
Well, uh, at least it appears that God has slowed down the killing pretty dramatically. He did 30 of the first 35 mill all in one shot. Only 5 mill since. Maybe He figured out the mass killing of the flood didn't really work.
bauer killed more
Steve,
Good job, but I think you missed another Jerusalem massacre. There's so darn many atrocities in there it is tough to catch them all...
Ezekiel 9
Idolaters Killed
1 Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, "Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon in his hand."
2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side
4 and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."
5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion.
6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
7 Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city.
8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?"
9 He answered me, "The sin of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, 'The LORD has forsaken the land; the LORD does not see.'
10 So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done."
11 Then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought back word, saying, "I have done as you commanded."
Thanks, Blackdog, for pointing this one out.
The problem that I see with it, though, is that it's just another of Ezekiel's bizarre, vicious dreams or prophecies, or who knows what. I guess this belongs in God's planned future killings along with the garbage in Revelation.
Excellent posting...but the math is off a bit on #54 (and thereafter), I'm afraid.
Thanks for the correction, jg!
I think I've fixed it now. But please let me know if there are any more errors.
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