Remember how, in God's 107th killing, a big wind blew down the house that Job's children were partying in? Well, it was all a part of God's plan -- or in this case, his bet with Satan.
In case you were wondering, God won the bet. Job never cursed God, even after he killed his children, slaves and animals, and then tormented Job with all kinds of nasty diseases.
And in the end, everything worked out well for Job. God gave him twice as much stuff as he had before, and even gave him seven new sons and three new daughters to replace the ones that he killed in his bet with Satan.
The new daughters even had names. And, best of all, the they were even prettier than the originals! They were the fairest women in all the land (fairer even than Snow White and the witch).
And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch. And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job. Job 42:14-15
You've probably heard of the masonic organization, "Job's Daughters," where young girls dress up in sheets and old men decide who is prettiest.
Yeah, well, now you know where the name comes from: the three pretty replacement daughters for the original (not as pretty) daughters of Job.
How sick is that?
22 comments:
I scammed the Bible, and made a different list, then your God's killings list Steve.
I was interrested, how many holocausts the jews commited.
I found 33. Here is the reference-list (sry for only telling the chapter, and not being exact to verses):
1) (Gen. 34.)
2) (Num. 21.)
3) (Num. 31.)
4) (Deu. 2.)
5) (Deu. 3.)
6) (Jos. 6.)
7) (Jos. 8.)
8) (Jos. 10.)
9) (Jos. 10.)
10) (Jos. 10.)
11) (Jos. 10.)
12) (Jos. 10.)
13) (Jos. 10.)
14) (Jos. 10.)
15) (Jos. 11.)
16) (Jos. 11.)
17) (Jos. 11.)
18) (Jos. 11.)
19) (Jos. 11.)
20) (Jos. 11.)
21) (Jud. 1.)
22) (Jud. 12.)
23) (Jud. 18.)
24) (Jud. 20.)
25) (Jud. 21.)
26) (1Sam. 15.)
27) (1Sam 25.)
28) (2Sam. 8.)
29) (2Sam. 12.)
30) (1Kings 18.)
31) (2Kings 10.)
32) (2Kings 23.)
33) (Est. 9.)
The list was inspired by a new law around here: it became unlawful denying or undersizing the holocaust. Too bad they didn't defined holocausts (nor any other parts of the law), so if someone would say "hey, Avatar was just a movie, so damn the Navii-holocaust", then that person can end up in prison for 3 years!
W?T?F?
Interesting, twillight, but how do you define "holocaust"? Wouldn't "genocide" be a more appropriate term?
Now, as for Job's Daughters, that's...
Well, there are no words.
hey sorry to inform you but you have your facts about Job's Daughters 100% wrong. One they are not sheets, and two old men don't decide who is the prettiest. job's daughters is an orinization that asists girls into become young women who well respect other people and not sit here and take things out of context and turn it around and make sound like a bad thing just to make themselves feel
beter about there own pittiful lives.(which is what you are doing.)
now why dont you grow up and get a life.
I hope you do more research about Job's Daughters. Sometimes the "cult" stories are convincing, but I feel that if you talked to members and experts on the topic you will feel differently.
I am happy to answer all of your questions about Job's Daughters. Please check out my blog, http://astegen.personal.asu.edu/wordpress/ which I just started about "Jobies."
Thanks,
Anne Stegen
Grand Bethel Honored Queen
Arizona, 2010-2011
Yeah, you got the organization flat out wrong. Not sure where your got your information but the girls dress in white robes so that all are equal - no beauty contest to be had. All leadership roles are held by women, however there are a few council positions available to dads and masons.
This is a fabulous organization for teen girls to learn leadership, responsibility and community involvement.
nacolekinner, Anne, and qandlequeen,
So the Job's Daughters organization has nothing to do with Job's daughters in the Bible? You know the replacement daughters that God made for Job to replace the ones that he and Satan killed in the bet? The ones that were even prettier than the originals? Job's daughters has nothing to do with them. Is that what you're saying?
ok Job's Daughters is based on the story of job yes. but we are not trying to put ourselves on a pedestal and say we are any better or prettier than anyone. we are also not based of the second daughters. we are based off the originals. Job's Daughters is and organization for young women to learn leadership and social skills.
Brooke Butters
Grand Bethel Representative to California #1
sarcastic wit,
You say that "we are also not based of the second daughters. we are based off the originals." But that's not what the founder of Job's Daughters said about it.
Here's a quote from the official Job's Daughters website:
"The Book of Job had been chosen by Mrs. Mick as the foundation of the Order. Her own mother had often stated that her girls should strive to be like the Daughters of Job: “the Fairest in the Land”. – Job 42:15."
The daughters that were "the Fairest in the Land" were the replacement daughters, not the originals. God and Satan killed the originals and then God replaced them with prettier ones.
okay apparently u don't know anything about Job's Daughters. Yes in the bible it says that those were the names of the seconded daughters, but i am a job's daughter so i think i know what i am talking about. i am actually studying the story of job right now. i have it memorized in fact. so u can go ahead and think what u want but don't go around talking about crap u don't know anything about
Brooke Butters Bethel #8 Id
Grand Rep to Cali. #1
Ok going off of your quote it only talks about the fairest in the land. and in the book of job it doesn't state that the first daughters were the fairest in the land. in fact it doesn't talk about them at all really. Therefore they could also be the fairest in the land not just the second daughters who are talked about more. He could have also given them inheritance among their brothers. It doesn't state that though.
Sierra Butters bethel #8
Grand Bethel Librarian
to the state of Idaho
Sorry, sarcastic wit. You may be a Job's daughter, but, if so, you weren't imitating Job's original daughters -- at least you weren't supposed to be imitating them. You were supposed to be imitating the new, prettier daughters that God made from scratch for Job as a reward for not complaining when he and his satanic gambling buddy killed Job's uglier, original daughters.
like i said u can think what u want. u are not worth the waste of time.
ok. it never state's whether or not it is the first or second set of daughters it can be either one but it's most likely the second group. because they lived died.
Sierra Butters
Bethel #8
Grand bethel Librarian Idaho
I understand you are not a believer in the Bible, but that is really no way to interpret the organization of Job's Daughters. I am an agnostic and participated in Job's Daughters for over seven years. I have learned many valuable skills from it including public speaking and patience and I can assure you, wholeheartedly, that it is not a cult, beauty pageant or popularity contest. It is a humble organization with the aim of promoting patience, faith, leadership, and friendship throughout the community. Ethel T. Wead Mick did base the organization on Job 42:15 "...and in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job; and their father gave the inheritance among their brethren" (so yes, technically it is based on the second set of daughters but that is not the point). However, "fair" does not only imply physical beauty. Mick only meant to use this as a foundation to shape the participants of the organization to be "fair" all around, as in strong, well-rounded, and humble. Your statement that "old men decide who is prettiest" is completely untrue, and shows what little knowledge you have of the organization. There is nothing sick about the organization at all except the way you have assumed it operates. I urge you to speak with Anne Stegen and to not make such crass assumptions about youth groups you know nothing about in the future.
Mikenzie Denholtz
Past Honored Queen of Bethel #257, Riverside CA
I understand you are not a believer in the Bible, but that is really no way to interpret the organization of Job's Daughters. I am an agnostic and participated in Job's Daughters for over seven years. I have learned many valuable skills from it including public speaking and patience and I can assure you, wholeheartedly, that it is not a cult, beauty pageant or popularity contest. It is a humble organization with the aim of promoting patience, faith, leadership, and friendship throughout the community. Ethel T. Wead Mick did base the organization on Job 42:15 "...and in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job; and their father gave the inheritance among their brethren" (so yes, technically it is based on the second set of daughters but that is not the point). However, "fair" does not only imply physical beauty. Mick only meant to use this as a foundation to shape the participants of the organization to be "fair" all around, as in strong, well-rounded, and humble. Your statement that "old men decide who is prettiest" is entirely untrue and there is nothing even close to paralleling this in Job's Daughters. There is nothing sick about the organization at all except the way you believe it operates. I urge you to speak with Anne Stegen (she is a Job's Daughter with high honors) and to not make such rude and crass assumptions about innocent youth groups you know nothing about in the future.
Mikenzie Denholtz
Past Honored Queen of Bethel #257, Riverside
I'm a bit late to this party, but, this is addressed to Sarcastic Wit:
I am a former Jobie. I joined in 1974 at the age of eligibility and was in the organization for about four years. That would make me almost 50 years old now.
The names of the daughters of Job were listed in the IOJD handbook when I was in the organization. They are the names of the three latter daughters of Job: Keren Happauch, Kezia, and Jemima
As to the general statements about dress and beauty contests, the girls wore heavy white linen robes with satin cording (a very long rope that is attached to the robe and ties around it). The lower ranking officers (girls) wore purple cording , while the higher ranking officers wore white cords. These were to signify purity. The highest three levels of office in the organization are Junior Princess, Senior Princess and Honored Queen. There is no beauty contest, but, the naming of the titles can leave little to the imagination, which is unfortunate. At the same time, when I was in the organization, we had a social event that was geared towards "Secret Dads" - where a Mason and a young Jobie would be matched up for gifts on Valentines Day. This sounds very suggestive, but, it was actually quite innocent. I baked a cake for my Secret Dad, and I think he gave me some sort of necklace which I now can't even remember what it looked like.
ya seriously, this all gets out of hand, because people need jobs, and lives. i can make comments about several thing i question.... but i don't because i don't really know what i'm talking about. like our first comments on this page.i am a past honered queen. the women in my family are as well. the men masons.never was there anything perverse no one picked out who was pretty in jobs. thats sociaty, so i guess thats your cult. our robes are for puroty our tassles and colors all stand for innosent thing. we learn everything by memorization. we r poised, and assistant to the community. we are cheerleaders, and soccer players. we are mothers, sisters, and DAUGHTERS!!!!! thank you.
what is it that jobs daughters are to have faith in?
what is it that jobs daughters are supposed to have faith in?
I love this content. My daughter was in Job's for many years. Before she joined, I was sceptical, investigated and concerned of cultish activities. What I could find out about it was..nothing. So I let her join and thought I would watch, closely. What I found out was that this was a wonderful organization.
Everything in a meeting has a purpose. Adults are refered to as Mom ___ or Dad___. This gives the attitude of familiarity along side of respect for that person.
The ritualism of the meetings remind me of an FFA meeting for those who know of FFA. NO big deal.
The phrasing of bringing girls into womanhood, or however worded must be looked at for the time it was written. Really. If it were today, the wording might look a little different. Years ago more emphasis was on how we presented ourselves, as it still should be. Think of a visit to the mall on a Saturday afternoon and tell me different!
The Christian part of things is more of an overtone. We understood it as any member should have a faith of their own choosing. Once each term (6months) we would have a go to church Sunday and the Honored Queen would choose. This gave opportunity to experience many traditions, churches.
Also, the main point of the story of Job is not the daughters but the adversity that Job had to endure. Life has many adversities and the story of Job is reminded as part of the meeting. To be strong,true and faithful and that through that they would be known as Daughters of Job.
We did have ethnic diversity and this cultural experience was brought into the meetings.
Much of the meeting was memorized. Why not? There should be something to strive for other that showing up. If you didn't memorize you weren't kicked out!
Someone mentioned having a Mason as a "secret dad" or something like that, where they exchanged gifts at Valentines. There is always encouragement in the youth being somewhat involved with the Mason's as the Mason's give them the connection for membership, help support them by giving them space to meet and offering grants for projects. Jobies show thanks by secret pals, making a dinner or some other small project. This is not different than any other supportive organization. Teaching to be appreciative is a good thing.
The girls love the robes. yes, they are akin to uniforms, but prettier.
To be a daughter of Job, symboically, really represents being part of positive end to a story of trials and tribulations. By hanging in there, life can be good again, even better. Not a bad message. Mikenzied, who posted August 8, 2011..You wrote well.You are a Rock Star.
Jobs daughter's is based on the book of job where it states that in all the land were none so fair as the daughters of Job and their father gave them an inheritence among their brethren.
We believe that to be fair is to do good. Nothing about beauty. Old men do not decide who is pretty. We are not a beauty pageant group.
As for the 'sheet' they are uniforms designed by the founder to make everyone equal and we haven't changed them since 1920.
Soooo Get your facts right about the Order before you insult it.
Its Girl Guides (Girl Scouts) with a funny uniform that's it
Jobie,
You say that "Jobs daughter's is based on the book of job where it states that in all the land were none so fair as the daughters of Job."
So which set of Job's daughters is the organization based on? The original set that God and Satan killed in a bet, or the replacement set that God provided after killing Job's (real) daughters?
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