Remember how, in God's 107th killing, a big wind blew down the house that Job's children were partying in? Well, it was all a part of God's plan -- or in this case, his bet with Satan.
The new daughters even had names. And, best of all, the they were even prettier than the originals! They were the fairest women in all the land (fairer even than Snow White and the witch).
And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second, Kezia; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch. And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job. Job 42:14-15
You've probably heard of the masonic organization, "Job's Daughters," where young girls dress up in sheets and old men decide who is prettiest.
Yeah, well, now you know where the name comes from: the three pretty replacement daughters for the original (not as pretty) daughters of Job.
How sick is that?
34 comments:
I scammed the Bible, and made a different list, then your God's killings list Steve.
I was interrested, how many holocausts the jews commited.
I found 33. Here is the reference-list (sry for only telling the chapter, and not being exact to verses):
1) (Gen. 34.)
2) (Num. 21.)
3) (Num. 31.)
4) (Deu. 2.)
5) (Deu. 3.)
6) (Jos. 6.)
7) (Jos. 8.)
8) (Jos. 10.)
9) (Jos. 10.)
10) (Jos. 10.)
11) (Jos. 10.)
12) (Jos. 10.)
13) (Jos. 10.)
14) (Jos. 10.)
15) (Jos. 11.)
16) (Jos. 11.)
17) (Jos. 11.)
18) (Jos. 11.)
19) (Jos. 11.)
20) (Jos. 11.)
21) (Jud. 1.)
22) (Jud. 12.)
23) (Jud. 18.)
24) (Jud. 20.)
25) (Jud. 21.)
26) (1Sam. 15.)
27) (1Sam 25.)
28) (2Sam. 8.)
29) (2Sam. 12.)
30) (1Kings 18.)
31) (2Kings 10.)
32) (2Kings 23.)
33) (Est. 9.)
The list was inspired by a new law around here: it became unlawful denying or undersizing the holocaust. Too bad they didn't defined holocausts (nor any other parts of the law), so if someone would say "hey, Avatar was just a movie, so damn the Navii-holocaust", then that person can end up in prison for 3 years!
W?T?F?
Interesting, twillight, but how do you define "holocaust"? Wouldn't "genocide" be a more appropriate term?
Now, as for Job's Daughters, that's...
Well, there are no words.
hey sorry to inform you but you have your facts about Job's Daughters 100% wrong. One they are not sheets, and two old men don't decide who is the prettiest. job's daughters is an orinization that asists girls into become young women who well respect other people and not sit here and take things out of context and turn it around and make sound like a bad thing just to make themselves feel
beter about there own pittiful lives.(which is what you are doing.)
now why dont you grow up and get a life.
I hope you do more research about Job's Daughters. Sometimes the "cult" stories are convincing, but I feel that if you talked to members and experts on the topic you will feel differently.
I am happy to answer all of your questions about Job's Daughters. Please check out my blog, http://astegen.personal.asu.edu/wordpress/ which I just started about "Jobies."
Thanks,
Anne Stegen
Grand Bethel Honored Queen
Arizona, 2010-2011
Yeah, you got the organization flat out wrong. Not sure where your got your information but the girls dress in white robes so that all are equal - no beauty contest to be had. All leadership roles are held by women, however there are a few council positions available to dads and masons.
This is a fabulous organization for teen girls to learn leadership, responsibility and community involvement.
nacolekinner, Anne, and qandlequeen,
So the Job's Daughters organization has nothing to do with Job's daughters in the Bible? You know the replacement daughters that God made for Job to replace the ones that he and Satan killed in the bet? The ones that were even prettier than the originals? Job's daughters has nothing to do with them. Is that what you're saying?
ok Job's Daughters is based on the story of job yes. but we are not trying to put ourselves on a pedestal and say we are any better or prettier than anyone. we are also not based of the second daughters. we are based off the originals. Job's Daughters is and organization for young women to learn leadership and social skills.
Brooke Butters
Grand Bethel Representative to California #1
sarcastic wit,
You say that "we are also not based of the second daughters. we are based off the originals." But that's not what the founder of Job's Daughters said about it.
Here's a quote from the official Job's Daughters website:
"The Book of Job had been chosen by Mrs. Mick as the foundation of the Order. Her own mother had often stated that her girls should strive to be like the Daughters of Job: “the Fairest in the Land”. – Job 42:15."
The daughters that were "the Fairest in the Land" were the replacement daughters, not the originals. God and Satan killed the originals and then God replaced them with prettier ones.
okay apparently u don't know anything about Job's Daughters. Yes in the bible it says that those were the names of the seconded daughters, but i am a job's daughter so i think i know what i am talking about. i am actually studying the story of job right now. i have it memorized in fact. so u can go ahead and think what u want but don't go around talking about crap u don't know anything about
Brooke Butters Bethel #8 Id
Grand Rep to Cali. #1
Ok going off of your quote it only talks about the fairest in the land. and in the book of job it doesn't state that the first daughters were the fairest in the land. in fact it doesn't talk about them at all really. Therefore they could also be the fairest in the land not just the second daughters who are talked about more. He could have also given them inheritance among their brothers. It doesn't state that though.
Sierra Butters bethel #8
Grand Bethel Librarian
to the state of Idaho
Sorry, sarcastic wit. You may be a Job's daughter, but, if so, you weren't imitating Job's original daughters -- at least you weren't supposed to be imitating them. You were supposed to be imitating the new, prettier daughters that God made from scratch for Job as a reward for not complaining when he and his satanic gambling buddy killed Job's uglier, original daughters.
like i said u can think what u want. u are not worth the waste of time.
ok. it never state's whether or not it is the first or second set of daughters it can be either one but it's most likely the second group. because they lived died.
Sierra Butters
Bethel #8
Grand bethel Librarian Idaho
I understand you are not a believer in the Bible, but that is really no way to interpret the organization of Job's Daughters. I am an agnostic and participated in Job's Daughters for over seven years. I have learned many valuable skills from it including public speaking and patience and I can assure you, wholeheartedly, that it is not a cult, beauty pageant or popularity contest. It is a humble organization with the aim of promoting patience, faith, leadership, and friendship throughout the community. Ethel T. Wead Mick did base the organization on Job 42:15 "...and in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job; and their father gave the inheritance among their brethren" (so yes, technically it is based on the second set of daughters but that is not the point). However, "fair" does not only imply physical beauty. Mick only meant to use this as a foundation to shape the participants of the organization to be "fair" all around, as in strong, well-rounded, and humble. Your statement that "old men decide who is prettiest" is completely untrue, and shows what little knowledge you have of the organization. There is nothing sick about the organization at all except the way you have assumed it operates. I urge you to speak with Anne Stegen and to not make such crass assumptions about youth groups you know nothing about in the future.
Mikenzie Denholtz
Past Honored Queen of Bethel #257, Riverside CA
I understand you are not a believer in the Bible, but that is really no way to interpret the organization of Job's Daughters. I am an agnostic and participated in Job's Daughters for over seven years. I have learned many valuable skills from it including public speaking and patience and I can assure you, wholeheartedly, that it is not a cult, beauty pageant or popularity contest. It is a humble organization with the aim of promoting patience, faith, leadership, and friendship throughout the community. Ethel T. Wead Mick did base the organization on Job 42:15 "...and in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job; and their father gave the inheritance among their brethren" (so yes, technically it is based on the second set of daughters but that is not the point). However, "fair" does not only imply physical beauty. Mick only meant to use this as a foundation to shape the participants of the organization to be "fair" all around, as in strong, well-rounded, and humble. Your statement that "old men decide who is prettiest" is entirely untrue and there is nothing even close to paralleling this in Job's Daughters. There is nothing sick about the organization at all except the way you believe it operates. I urge you to speak with Anne Stegen (she is a Job's Daughter with high honors) and to not make such rude and crass assumptions about innocent youth groups you know nothing about in the future.
Mikenzie Denholtz
Past Honored Queen of Bethel #257, Riverside
I'm a bit late to this party, but, this is addressed to Sarcastic Wit:
I am a former Jobie. I joined in 1974 at the age of eligibility and was in the organization for about four years. That would make me almost 50 years old now.
The names of the daughters of Job were listed in the IOJD handbook when I was in the organization. They are the names of the three latter daughters of Job: Keren Happauch, Kezia, and Jemima
As to the general statements about dress and beauty contests, the girls wore heavy white linen robes with satin cording (a very long rope that is attached to the robe and ties around it). The lower ranking officers (girls) wore purple cording , while the higher ranking officers wore white cords. These were to signify purity. The highest three levels of office in the organization are Junior Princess, Senior Princess and Honored Queen. There is no beauty contest, but, the naming of the titles can leave little to the imagination, which is unfortunate. At the same time, when I was in the organization, we had a social event that was geared towards "Secret Dads" - where a Mason and a young Jobie would be matched up for gifts on Valentines Day. This sounds very suggestive, but, it was actually quite innocent. I baked a cake for my Secret Dad, and I think he gave me some sort of necklace which I now can't even remember what it looked like.
ya seriously, this all gets out of hand, because people need jobs, and lives. i can make comments about several thing i question.... but i don't because i don't really know what i'm talking about. like our first comments on this page.i am a past honered queen. the women in my family are as well. the men masons.never was there anything perverse no one picked out who was pretty in jobs. thats sociaty, so i guess thats your cult. our robes are for puroty our tassles and colors all stand for innosent thing. we learn everything by memorization. we r poised, and assistant to the community. we are cheerleaders, and soccer players. we are mothers, sisters, and DAUGHTERS!!!!! thank you.
what is it that jobs daughters are to have faith in?
what is it that jobs daughters are supposed to have faith in?
I love this content. My daughter was in Job's for many years. Before she joined, I was sceptical, investigated and concerned of cultish activities. What I could find out about it was..nothing. So I let her join and thought I would watch, closely. What I found out was that this was a wonderful organization.
Everything in a meeting has a purpose. Adults are refered to as Mom ___ or Dad___. This gives the attitude of familiarity along side of respect for that person.
The ritualism of the meetings remind me of an FFA meeting for those who know of FFA. NO big deal.
The phrasing of bringing girls into womanhood, or however worded must be looked at for the time it was written. Really. If it were today, the wording might look a little different. Years ago more emphasis was on how we presented ourselves, as it still should be. Think of a visit to the mall on a Saturday afternoon and tell me different!
The Christian part of things is more of an overtone. We understood it as any member should have a faith of their own choosing. Once each term (6months) we would have a go to church Sunday and the Honored Queen would choose. This gave opportunity to experience many traditions, churches.
Also, the main point of the story of Job is not the daughters but the adversity that Job had to endure. Life has many adversities and the story of Job is reminded as part of the meeting. To be strong,true and faithful and that through that they would be known as Daughters of Job.
We did have ethnic diversity and this cultural experience was brought into the meetings.
Much of the meeting was memorized. Why not? There should be something to strive for other that showing up. If you didn't memorize you weren't kicked out!
Someone mentioned having a Mason as a "secret dad" or something like that, where they exchanged gifts at Valentines. There is always encouragement in the youth being somewhat involved with the Mason's as the Mason's give them the connection for membership, help support them by giving them space to meet and offering grants for projects. Jobies show thanks by secret pals, making a dinner or some other small project. This is not different than any other supportive organization. Teaching to be appreciative is a good thing.
The girls love the robes. yes, they are akin to uniforms, but prettier.
To be a daughter of Job, symboically, really represents being part of positive end to a story of trials and tribulations. By hanging in there, life can be good again, even better. Not a bad message. Mikenzied, who posted August 8, 2011..You wrote well.You are a Rock Star.
Jobs daughter's is based on the book of job where it states that in all the land were none so fair as the daughters of Job and their father gave them an inheritence among their brethren.
We believe that to be fair is to do good. Nothing about beauty. Old men do not decide who is pretty. We are not a beauty pageant group.
As for the 'sheet' they are uniforms designed by the founder to make everyone equal and we haven't changed them since 1920.
Soooo Get your facts right about the Order before you insult it.
Its Girl Guides (Girl Scouts) with a funny uniform that's it
Jobie,
You say that "Jobs daughter's is based on the book of job where it states that in all the land were none so fair as the daughters of Job."
So which set of Job's daughters is the organization based on? The original set that God and Satan killed in a bet, or the replacement set that God provided after killing Job's (real) daughters?
Job's Daughters is based on the second set of daughters, Steve. Keren Happauch (a cornucopia for "plenty" is her symbol) the Honored Queens station. Kezia (an urn of incense is her symbol, it looks like a genies lamp) the Senior Princess' station. Jemima (symbolizes a dove) the Junior Princess' station. These stations are the last 3 of the 5 that are referred to as Line Offices and the girls holding these positions are called the Line Officers. The other two Line positions are Guide and Marshal. The Line Officers are decided based on elections, however, electioneering is prohibited. The girls of the bethel vote for whatever 'daughter' they feel is worthy/ready to be elected into the Line. They start at Marshal and are normally elected up to HQ. Sometimes girls can be essentially kicked out of the line for behavior, delinquency, or bad reputation caused by catty teenage girls. That's very rare. Some girls may never be elected up the line, which could be viewed as lack of popularity/favoritism, etc. Which, sadly, is common. Girls are allowed to switch Bethels if they feel like their Bethel doesn't want them. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong aspects of the Order. Appearance has nothing to do with being elected into the positions, its an Honor to hold those positions. There is one Mason installed as the Bethel's Associate Guardian and usually they are a dad to one of the girls. The Guardian is usually one of the moms (glorified chaperones if you will). Members of these organizations definitely have high standards for themselves and their peers. They expect themselvesto do great things and have many successes. But where the story of Job comes in is truly to humble the girls. No matter how pious Job was, everything was taken from him in an instant. Instead of cursing God for His will, Job remained more faithful than ever to God and was rewarded in plenty. New children, new stock and crops. Everything Job once had was restored because he maintained his faith in God through his trials and tribulations. There is nothing dark or provocative that has to do with the Order of Job's Daughters. People who are uneducated and closed minded make this Order seem that way. This organization helps young women with many different things. Most of the girls who join are at the awkward stages in life, like puberty, junior high and high school. This organization teaches them to reach for the highest attainments in life, which is interpreted differently by every girl who joins. This organization teaches girls to shoot for the stars, that everything their heart desires is in within reach. For your own personal enjoyment, I am certain you will call me out or question something else about this Order for young women. But if you want answers, check out the book every Job's Daughter uses. The Ritual. You won't be brainwashed, but maybe you'll be more understanding. If you read it and are still curious, approach a Mason and ask to join. You can join it, see that they don't fantasize about the youth Orders, and then quit. But my bet is that you would stay involved because of the greatness and secrecy within the organization. I stumbled upon your blog by googling something not quite related and found the ignorant title to be amusing. Out of curiosity I kept reading and chose to answer your question to Jobie. The organization is based on the book of Job in the Bible, yes. But not wholeheartedly. the organization is based on the teachings of the story: "If you remain faithful to God, even through hard times, you will be immensely rewarded for being patient and faithful." Leadership, virtues, friendship, memory skills, speaking skills, thoughtfulness, acceptance, and trust in God are the major takeaways from this organization. Your assumptions are inappropriate and tactless. I hope you have changed your negative outlook on the Book of Job and IOJD.
Past Honored Queen to Bethel 57, and Majority Member.
P.S. You're Welcome.
Hello. I am actually in jobs daughters. I from Wisconsin and will be caped and crowned as junior princess in January. I am 12 years old and have been in this organization for two years. Dear Sharon, Name Not Necessary, and Sadie: we are living the dream.
I know that I am commenting on an over three-year old post.
I'm glad that the testimonials of the actual "Jobies" themselves dispels some of the cult-like imaginings of the skeptics.
Still, after reading all the comments, it still eludes me why the organization decided to name itself based on a rather morally questionable story from the bible.
People are capable of change, right? So, why continue to identify yourselves with what appeared to be girls who were brought in to replace the children of Job who were mercilessly made to suffer and die to satisfy a divine wager?
One doesn't even need to bring belief into the equation; you could look upon it as a believer of the bible verses (Job actually existed, as well as the god he worshiped) or you could just be looking at it as a fictional tale, but with genuine human values as a reference.
A positive female-powered organization doesn't seem to be doing itself any favors that way. By your descriptions, you don't seem to be the "replacement daughters" that the tale was about.
They based it on job because he believed.
Regardless of what you believe about the message of the book of Job,(I'm not sure what it is myself) what nobody is mentioning is that the second set of daughters of Job in the book are blameless in the story. They are "created" after the worst part of the bet, and have no part in it whatsoever. For women and girls to model themselves after the second set of daughters seems pretty harmless IMHO.
Olivia Metz: I believe I know you, I think my mom was your Bethel Guardian for a bit. And I know I'm a little late to the party here but Job's Daughters teaches young girls so many amazing skills. Leadership, organization, communication, public speaking, and even diplomatic skills. I am a proud proud MM and PHQ of bethel number 19 of West Allis WI and even though I aged out back in 2007 I still remember the lessons and a lot of the ritualistic speeches. I owe almost my entire life to this great organization. It taught me so much and yes we are based on the "prettier" daughters but you have to remember the term "Fair" didn't always mean specifically beauty. It also meant fair in temperament, manner and overall demeanor. It also states that to be fair is to do good.... see what I mean about not just being pretty? It definitely teaches young girls that you're more than a pretty face and you can do anything you set your mind to. So that's a pretty good example to set, wouldn't you agree??
As being the current Miss Job's Daughter of Delaware I can inform you that is not true at all. I have learned many life lessons including public speaking skills, social skills, and leadership skills. Is is an honor to represent such a beautiful order knowing I got my high title because of my knowledge and leadership to other young women. Not because an older man thinks I have a pretty face.
Erica Murrell-Pace
Miss Job's Daughter of Delaware 2014-2015
Past Honored Queen 2010
I was a 'Jobie'
Your statements are absolutely 100 % FALSE No old men judged who was the prettiest We were basically a service organization We raised money for the Ronald McDonald House We adopted an elder lady & gave her gifts all year long.
I hope that clears things up
I'm a past Honored Queen of Bethel #57 (1980) in Baltimore Maryland. Jobs Daughters was one of the happiest times of my life. I learned many lessons during my 4 years. And, rely on them to this day.
I am a current Job's Daughter, I have been in the organization since I was 10 years old and I guarantee that it is nothing like what you are saying. Yes, our three head officers are based on the second set of daughters, but we are not a beauty pageant and we are not narcissistic either. Job's Daughters is an organization for girls ages 10-20 which teaches leadership skills, public speaking skills, inspires confidence, creates friendships, teaches the importance of living a charitable life, and the importance of having respect for each person one meets. Specifically, our order is founded on Job 42:15 which reads "And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren." When we say "fair" we use it in the sense that we are both beautiful on the inside, for our kindness to others and service to our community, and on the outside, because all women are beautiful. The most important part of that verse is not the first part as you would like to believe, but instead the second part: "and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren." Job's Daughters was founded in 1920 by a woman who did not want to become a housewife, but a doctor. She believed women should have the same rights as men and receive what men received. Her husband, a mason, agreed with her and helped her create our order. That is the reason our order is founded on Job 42:15. Our "sheets" as you call them, are actually robes based upon the grecian robes worn by women in the time of Job, and they are very stunning if you ever get the chance to see them worn properly. If you have further questions I would be more than happy to answer them for you.
A. Bulanek
Past Honored Queen
Bethel #241 Norwalk
One thing you're leaving out. In Job's Daughters we were taught "That to be fair is to do good". Nothing to do with looks. There is nothing wrong with Job's Daughters. In fact, it is a parent-supervised extracurricular activity, that gives girls fun social activities along with philanthropic works. It also teaches poise and public speaking. I cherish my memories of Job'Daughters.
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