11 August 2006

How are Jesus and Satan alike?

  1. They are both like a lion.
    Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. -- Revelation 5:5

    Your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. -- 1 Peter 5:8

  2. They are the morning star (Venus).

    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. -- Revelation 22:16

    How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! -- Isaiah 14:12

  3. They existed before the universe was created.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -- John 1:1

    Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? ... When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? -- Job 38:4-7

  4. They are sons of God.

    The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God -- Mark 1:1

    Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. -- Job 1:6, 2:1


Anonymous said...

Well, they're both angels/sons of God, aren't they?

The better question is: How are Jesus and Satan different?

Anonymous said...

Jesus is the only begotten son of God and savior, he's not an angel.
Lucifer is an evil angel and he's just a servant.

Steve Wells said...

Anonymous said...

"Well, they're both angels/sons of God, aren't they?"

Yes. Thanks for pointing that out. I've added it to the list.

Anonymous said...

Actually, I am pretty sure that the devil was not an angel. The aforementioned quote from Isaiah is talking about the King of Babylon, referencing the Greek myth of Phaeton, son of Helios. Also, the word Satan means accuser, adversary, or foe in Hebrew. The Angel Satan was in fact a member of God's court charged with prosecuting those humans who had strayed from his will.


Anonymous said...

The pre-incarnate Christ (Metatron) was the lord of hosts (ie: angels). Thus if Satan claims to be the almighty (which he supposedly according to the bible does- and hates being called Satan for that precise reason) then it is natural he will want to usurp Christ's title. Unless you believe Christ is Satan and Satan is God which is unbelievably ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Jesus is God incarnate.

He is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Satan has no power unless you let him have yours. He is a tool of God, one of his creations and has a right to exist untill God thinks otherwise.

Collosians Ch1 Vs5-20
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as also in you, since the day ye heard, and new the grace of God in truth:
7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and in increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorius power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who has deliverd us from the power of darkness, and has translated into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the ivisible God the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased that in him should all fullness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, whether things in earth, or things in heaven.

Anonymous said...

What I want to know is why The 'divine family', if you will, has such bad luck with best friends, ie: Satan & Judas. I mean, GOD, is omnipotent. Surely he could deal with Satan, unless two things:

1The LORD GOD is not quite as omnipotent as you think.

2HE wanted to have an opposing force. In some gosples that have been left out of the Bible Judas was the only one Jesus trusted to betray him, as none of the other disiples could do him that favour.

Anonymous said...

Satan is one of the sons of god (= the angels), but Jesus is the son of god. There's a little difference between...

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Satan isn't evil. He gave us selfconsciousness. So we are free from Gods will. God cannot control us.

But i don't think there isn't/aren't a god/gods or devils beside some humans.

Anonymous said...

jesus devil gods demons who cares?!! they are all equal or in other words evil just look at the world they are all( if they exist)
guilty of wars violence fundamentalism pornography(oh god god oh god yes what the eck they are making sex with who? i said)
the bible is the most evil book i ever read jesus is the great liar that ever exist so many contracditions jesus is the number one guilty of many freaks out there and for the centuries that past and come

ipiphinizion said...

people would be wise to note the connections and have serious doubts- Jesus actually fits all o the criteria in Reveltions for the anti- christ - not anti-jesus- anti - christ....non believers of the man Jesus rejoice - for truly I say to you - it is you who shall escape the wrath that Awaits...PS ever notice how Satanism didnt exist - u know black masses inverted crosses etc . until Jesus appearance - ever hear of a Jew being possessed in the times since J- mans advent? Things that make u go Hum?

Unknown said...

Wild Hypothesis: Satan Christ

There is little doubt that Yahweh (as described in the Old Testament/Torah) was a psychopath. A lot of christians skip over the nastier parts, or rationalise them away. You have to, if you want to believe he's the good guy. Either that or take the dodgy 'God defines good' route.

He appears to have created man for the sole purpose of worshipping him, intending to keep them as unknowing slaves. He takes great delight in the torment and slaughter of millions, both personally and by proxy, ordering the Israelites to do his (very) dirty work.

As far as I can see, he only comes out smelling like roses because he managed to kill everyone who wouldn't suck up to him, then forced the survivors to write books saying how great he was for killing babies. Early spin-doctoring.

Satan opposes this from the beginning, when he frees Eve from the slavery of ignorance. In fact, he is so devoted to his fight that he becomes known only as 'the adversary'.

Unfortunately, with Yahweh's PR machine working overtime, He has declared Himself to be king of good, which makes his enemy evil by default.

Eventually, though, Satan realises that as long as humanity is being suckered in by Yahweh's PR, his work is largely futile. He has to do something *spectacular*.

And so he disguises himself as a man & cheats a little to fulfill some old prophecies so he looks like the son of Yahweh. Spends a few years preaching messages of love, peace and understanding, exactly the opposite of what Yahweh wants people to hear. And, to break Yahweh's fear-based regime, he decides to throw in something bigger and scarier. Break Yahweh's rules, he'll kill you. Break mine, you'll be tortured forever.

Of course, Yahweh managed to undo some of Satan Christ's work through Saul of Tarsus, but that's another story.

Anyway, I'm just spinning crap here (as I'm sure you noticed), but I have managed to produce a story that's at least as consistent as the bible, and explained the massive character change between OT & NT gods, and the inconsistencies about hell. And it means you can worship Christ without having to condone atrocities like Saul & The Amalekites, or the heart-hardening showboating of Exodus, or my personal favourite verse- Psalms 137:9

It's a good thing I'm already excommunicate.

Unknown said...

Christians, nice try, but very refutable and illogical...

Makes absolutely no sense.

Anonymous said...

"Satan is one of the sons of god (= the angels), but Jesus is the son of god. There's a little difference between..."

Haha! That's like some type of Murray episode.

See God's got a lot of kids sure, but he neva loved none of them girls, and they was all sluts anyway. None of them babies is his! (depending the result of a DNA test) but nahhhh Mary, he loves that girl and stayed with her. There fore aint jesus the only son he got?! Gods got kids, sure, but jesus is the kid

haha pardon my urban grammer up there

Denis Poltavets said...

1. Jesus commanded devils to go out to the pigs.
2. He asked us to eat flesha dn dring blood
3. He talk to Satan and rejected his offers.
4. He went to Hell to release I-do-not-remember-whom.
5. He claimed Himself to be the Son of God.
6. ...

Berend de Boer said...

See my comments at http://www.berenddeboer.net/sab/1pet/5.html#v8

Score for Steve Wells: 1 out of 4.

Anonymous said...

This is blasphemy