27 September 2006

The Bible's guide to torture

Sometimes you have to beat people for their own good.

The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly. Proverbs 20:30

Some people should be beaten as a punishment for their crimes.

And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten. Deuteronomy 25:2

It's always a good idea to beat fools. Beat them whenever you find them.

A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes. Proverbs 18:6
Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools. Proverbs 19:29
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

And slaves may be beaten, as long they survive for at least a day or two after the beating.

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. Exodus 21:20-21

Beating your children is a sure sign of parental love.

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 13:24

And don't stop just because they cry.

Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Proverbs 19:18

It will make them less foolish.

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him. Proverbs 22:15
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. Proverbs 29:15

So beat them hard and often. Don't worry about hurting them. You may break a few bones and cause some brain damage, but it isn't going to kill them. And even if it does, they'll be better off. They'll thank you in heaven for beating the hell out of them.

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14

The Old Testament God used a rod to beat those who disobey his commandments.

If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.Psalm 89:31-2

And he tortured the Philistines by giving them "hemorrhoids in their secret parts."

The hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts. 1 Samuel 5:9

At times, Jesus seemed to look favorably on torture.

In his parables, for example, Jesus often spoke of torturing his enemies.

And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors. Matthew 18:34
And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 22:12-13
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24:50-51
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. Luke 12:46-48

The devils expected Jesus to torture them. (And Jesus didn't deny that he planned to do so.)

And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Matthew 8:29
Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Mark 5:7
What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. Luke 8:28

At the end of the world, God will torture people until they want to die. But he won't let them die so that he can continue to torture them.

And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Revelation 9:5-6

But the ultimate torture is hell. If hell is justified, anything is permissible.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:41-42
If thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. Matthew 18:8-9
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. Matthew 25:41
...hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:43-48
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. Luke 16:22-24
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever. Revelation 14:10-11


Anonymous said...

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back. Proverbs 26:3

So, if I'm a fool, I should be beaten. But wait, I'm an atheist and lookee here:

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Atheists = Fool = Permissable to be beaten.

Damn. (I really hate Psalms 14, btw.)

Anonymous said...

You're a bitter lad. I don't know how you got that way and I don't care to find out, but I hope that at some point you make your peace with Deity.

Anonymous said...

That's nothing compared to being stoned for being an atheist. But, now I realize I can be beaten with a rod too!


Anonymous said...

When I someone quotes Psalms 14:1 -"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

I respond with, "And if you don't believe in *my* imaginary friend, you're a stinky doo-doo head!"

What is the mental of age their god, two?

Anonymous said...

Oops-- that would be when I hear someone quoting.

Anonymous said...

Heh, I think he's just insecure about himself :)

Michael Ejercito said...

We can conclude that it is perfectly acceptable for governments to use torture as punishment for crimes.

CrackerJack said...

Post modernism has resulted in many believing in individual truth (truth applicable to each person by their own definition) however the bible teaches absolute truth. One unchanging truth for all things to be measured by.

We are all the children of God, and as such we are all responsible to act accordingly.

It is good to know Atheists are reading the bible, but it is not easily discerned just by reading it. I would also like to mention that you are wasting your time reading the Koran, and the Book of Mormon. The only English version of the Bible that is reliably translated is the KJV. Research has shown that all other versions are grossly manipulated.

If you really want to know Christ, ask Him to reveal himself to you. Ask him into your life and to show you he is real. Ask him by praying this simple prayer: "Lord I recognize I am a sinner, and I would like you to come in to my life. Please forgive my sins Lord and show me that you are here for me."

There is only one catch. You have to mean it when you ask for it. You can't just rattle off some random sentences and have no sincerity or earnest want to know. If you mean it, and you want to know Him, he will reveal himself to you.

If you have the guts to really find out, just open you mind and heart and ask.

I hope you find Him, He has made all the difference in my life once I finally asked Him in to it.


Unknown said...

"I would also like to mention that you are wasting your time reading the Koran, and the Book of Mormon."

To Clueless in Topeka,
I think it's hilarious that you can auto-magically claim your fairytale to be the bestest because YOU believe in it... LOL! Oh my sweet reality... It's a clarification of the level of delusion you live in. Sad too... so much potential thrown away on a magical sky-fairy.

Let me ask you... are you able to heal the sick by laying your hands on them? Can you pick up poisonous snakes and they don't harm you? Can you drink poison and not be affected?! Because all of those things are promised as signs of your belief in Mark.

Mark 16:17-20
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Christians, the NEW superhero.

Sad lot of deluded folks. Hope the meme gets broken someday, maybe humanity can reach beyond these sad little fairytales and find true greatness... Cause I know as long as we grasp at superstitions we will wallow in our own filth here on this sad little mudball we call home.

Kelly Wilde said...

And then there was good King David who enjoyed sawing off his captives'heads with a woodsaw, or forcing them to run through a scorching hot kiln. And Gideon made his prisoners run through brambles so that their skin would be torn and ripped.

Michael Ejercito said...

And then there was good King David who enjoyed sawing off his captives'heads with a woodsaw, or forcing them to run through a scorching hot kiln. And Gideon made his prisoners run through brambles so that their skin would be torn and ripped.
Did God approve?

The rightness or wrongness of such actions depends on if God says no, you may, or you must .

caveman teacher said...


I cannot speak for other atheists, but I can explain why I hate christians. Look around at the world christians have created. In the U.S., we have less than 5% of our forests left. We have less than 4% of fish left in the ocean. 80% of the base food in easter American ecosystems are invasive species, which is leading to a mass die-off of the native plant, insect, bird, and mammalian species. 93% of coral reefs worldwide are dying or are already dead. The many peoples of this continent have been and are still being either exterminated, raped, tortured, deliberately infected and forced to live in concentration camps in the name of christ. The many similar peoples around the world are still enduring genocide every day in the name of christ and the destruction of the environment by christians who want to bring them a "better life". The sadness of this is that all of them already lived the way your god intended if you READ the bible. The live the way we all did before adam & eve and that mess with farming started.

But, it can be simplified even further. We (or at least I) are so angry at the christians for destroying all of the splendor and beauty in the world in the name of an invisible man in the sky who not only permits but seemingly encourages those who speak his name to rape men, women and children on a frequent basis in his name. christians may not have created this culture of hate and violence, but they sure do their level best to encourage this culture to flourish at the expense of all other forms of life. I hate anyone that would beat a woman, child or other animal or do them any kind of physical or emotional harm, but I hate those that justify it using the bible even more. Using a delusion to justify mindless violence against those of pure mind and spirit is unforgivable.

Is this enough of an explanation or do I need to go deeper into the countless mindless depravities christians have perpetrated throughout the centuries?

MysteriousB said...

@Andrew, I can't speak for the Athiests, but as a follower of Asatru I can give you plenty of good reasons for pagans to despise you with the mention of just one name, (St.) Olaf Tryggvason who tortured and killed his own countrymen for refusing to turn to Christ, look it up, his punishments included forcing snakes down his enemies throats and placing hot coals on their stomachs until theirs bodies burst open. How did this monster attain sainthood?