09 August 2006

Who has killed more, Satan or God?

And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 1:7

In a previous post, I counted the number of people that were killed by God in the Bible. I came up with 2,476,633, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. No attempt was made to include the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the good book is filled. Still, 2 million is a respectable number even for world class killers.
But how does this compare with Satan? How many did he kill in the Bible?
Well I can only find ten, and even these he shares with God, since God allowed him to do it as a part of a bet. I'm talking about the seven sons and three daughters of Job.
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job ... And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD ... put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house...And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. -- Job 1:1-19
So it seems that both Satan and God share the blame (or the credit) for these killings. If so, then the tally would be:

God 2,476,633
Satan 10
No contest.

I've tried to assign numbers to the un-numbered killings in the Bible. You can see the detailed list here.
The results were even more lopsided: 25 million (plus or minus a few million) for God; 60 for Satan.

Here is a more complete table.
numbered killings estimated total killings
God 2,476,633 25 million
Satan 10 60
Much more information about God's killings, with a chapter on each of the 135 killing events, can be found int the book:

Drunk With Blood: God's killings in the Bible


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tegf4 said...

From my point of view God did not Kill nobody, Sin did. God’s rule is, you sin you die. That is that, you can like it or die. That is how I feel. I am a sinner, so by God’s rule I am a dead man walking. So who killed me? I did. If you really think about, fools, people killed them selves by breaking God’s rules. Think about this; God killed every one that every lived Why because of their SIN!. That was the curse by God. Genesis 3:19. In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. So get back to the bible and read before you make commits.

Anonymous said...

Those killing counts don't include all the helpless animals that God slaughtered in his acts of "righteousness". Did they too deserve to die as the way "sinners" do? I would rather worship the devil than pray to a god that creates human beings with imperfections, then condemns and destroys them for being human. I am not a satanist per-say but if I had to pick and choose, I'd rather rather burn in hell, than float around with all the fluffy bunnies in heaven. I thought the true path to god was supposed to be difficult and one one that a person should attain through great trials and tests. Why make an instruction manual a.k.a. The Bible, a.k.a The
Complete Idiots Guide To Ass-Kissing A Self-Righteous Deity.

runewolf said...

I think that it is folly to believe in either God or Satan, or pure evolution for that matter. Ultimately, everything that exists is made of pure energy. Always changing, always creating, and even "death" is merely the transformation of energy. People and things die because it is natural to do so. My "God" is the natural cosmic energy that pervades the entire universe and beyond. This energy has always been and always will be. It can neither be created or destroyed, but it can change it's form. God did not "create" us, we are merely a product of cosmic energy. It is also natural for life to preserve itself and procreate. Animals kill to survive, and so have people. If God is omnipotent, and can not die, then His act of killing is not a survival instinct, but rather one of malice and evil. A rather human-like trait, I might add. Creatures evolved because the process of change was natural. Energy in motion. I find it interesting how it takes great philosophers and religionists, and "enlightened" ones to figure out the true meaning of god. People are always searching for some great answer to life's riddles. In all reality, it is not the mind that will achieve for us enlightenment, but rather the heart. The answer is so simple that a child or even an animal can comprehend it. Live, love, let live, and do what it takes to survive. God won't save you. Just look at all the countless people He's "saved" in the past. Needless to say, He doesn't have a very good track record. It's just unnatural to kill with such malice and lack of good reason. You just don't go around killing you're customers, or you'll end up out of business. If they don't like what you're selling, then maybe what you're selling is not so great. Goes to show, the concept of god is just a product of man's warped, fear-ridden intellect. Created out of fear, and dispersed into humanity with fear. God is not so great.

runewolf said...

Just a thought... Going back To the ye old days when God first created Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden. I find it interesting that God would permit this evil tree of sin to dwell in a place in which he put his "beloved" creations. Adam and Eve didn't know what evil was in the first place, how would they know it was such a bad thing? It's like putting a big, juicy steak bone in front of a hungry dog expecting it not to try and eat it. This all without teaching it any sort of discipline in the first place. Then when the dog decides to grab the bone, beating it to death and condemning the rest of it's species to eternal damnation. What the hell kind of "forgiving" god is that!!
And so Adam and Eve, with the educated mentality of over-grown 5-year olds, decided to eat from the tree. Big deal! Dumb people to dumb things. With God's great parental wisdom, he decided to punish his children by condemning them to death, and life-long, if not, eternal suffering. That's nice.
To get to my point, you can see that God did not kill a finite number of people. You cannot place a number on it. God sentenced every living creature to death. Satan was just giving us the "heads-up". Watch out, this bastard is really ****ing evil and he'll destroy you for no good reason. Walk with Lucifer, the light bearer, for only he can shed some light on God's dark pitiless wrath.

Unknown said...

You guys are pathetic.......really. After all, we will all be killed eventually either by someone or something. In looking at "the big picture" all these millions of slaughtered people provide something really really important for the masses, ENTERTAINMENT DAMMIT! Think of all the great art, poetry, stories, books and films that that would not have existed were not The Heavenly Father and his faithful so highly skilled in the wholesale destruction and obliteration of "The wicked"? Believe me people, when all is said and done, you guys will thank our merry band of trained killers for keeping things so interesting. After all "A day without blood is like a day without sunshine"! You guys really shouldn’t hate us just because we are so good at what we do! We don’t hate you guys for wearing your funny little robes and dancing with trees, or for shaving your heads and growing goatee beards and drinking goat pee and killing cats and all the other funny little things you do. We do what we do to you out of our LOVE for you, really. It’s just like General Electric (maker of the GE minicannon, one of our favorite magic weapons, always says, "We bring good things to living, we bring good things to life! So smile people and be proud! We will keep on killing, and we will keep on winning, until the day the Beast sets off the Apocalypse and we stomp the guts out of the whole friggin planet! But don’t worry, we got a whole new one just chompin at the bit to get a little trigger time in! So keep payin those taxes people, so the government can keep providing us with better more powerful magic weapons to keep this party rockin around the clock. Because if Dick Clark's hair can live forever, then with a little faith, so can you!

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Jesusboy said...

God didn't kill a single person. Satan has been killing ALL of us. You see he is the reason why death exists in the first place. God only wants to give us LIFE, an everlasting one to boot. You bring judgement on yourself by turning away from the only the life giver and turning to the usurper, death bringer.

live4love said...

I personally am a Christian and I guess I would ask how many has God saved with sending his Son? Or how many will be saved through Jesus Christ? Without God we wouldn't have life.

tony vanelli said...

interesting post.

i'm curious where the count would be if the bible were treated in a more original format; i.e., where satan was not the combined effort of three seperate characters of the bible.

almost all modern editions of the bible give satan a treatment as a single entity, and our modern understanding of 'beelzebub' 'satan' 'devil' are all part and parcel to the problem, these were not originally synonymous terms.

biblical treatment of satan, the correct treatment, is that he is an influencer, but unable to create or destroy anything on earth himself.

so, in terms of direct acts, by the bible the 10 should at least bear an asterisk ;)

Anonymous said...

What about: "Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel"
1 Chronicles 21:1

Unknown said...

Interesting post. I assume it to be a "case against God" is it not?

This theory is of course taking a number of assumptions.
1) You classify God and Satan as rival individuals whereas in truth there is one God with two divisions (good and evil a.k.a Jesus and Satan). These two divisions compliment each other and construct the full entity of God.
2) Satan has power to kill outside of God's allowance. If this were true then Satan's count would be much larger (I saw Hitler and a number of evil men mentioned).

All in all I suppose this post proves that God has sole ownership over life and even death.

dammit said...

I think George Bush has killed more people than God or Satan.

V1ktor said...

Every time I try to sell my soul to get some goodies no one shows up to buy it...unfair world.


Unknown said...

I Think You all People forgot your Creator, GOD!!!!!!!!!
He Has the mighty power of all Heaven and Earth.
And one more thing if we wont die there will be no place on earth for the next generations.
Of course there will be very good place for u in the heaven
So Please Think Before You Write about him.

American Moose said...

Yes, he is worth worshiping. God killed those people because the devil was absolutly controlling him. Plus that is like looking at someone who did something bad and expecting him/her to have no concequences. PLUS God created the world and he is trying to keep it in at least some order compared to where it would be without him. It's his. Give your life to God and he will help you, and you reject him and expect to have no concequences. Now after Jesus was born and died and rose again God is a God of Love and Peace and now Jesus took your punishment, but there is only one thing that he can't take care of for you. Eternal Life. He won't be able to do a thing until you let him be in your life. SO DO IT!!!!!!!!

Vences said...

Actually you got the count wrong because God never killed anyone. In Genesis, it tells us that Adam and Eve lived in a perfect paradise, until the devil deceived Eve by getting her to eat from the forbidden tree of life. This deception is what cursed humanity to death for God had told Adam that if he ever ate from the tree he would die. It is the devil deception that has cursed us to death unless you accept Christ as your savior.

cjbrake said...

Adam sinned against god, after god told him that he would die if he did.... The bible says "for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of god is eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord.
Romans 6:23
You see we have fallen short of the glory of god

Wildy said...

I can't believe that I'm defending literalists here, but technically you could increase the estimate to compensate for the servants that died in that house as well, considering the wealth that Job had.

Nayrb said...

But guys, you have to remember that many of the people that God supposedly killed are really really bad people. Why are they bad people? because of sin which was caused by Satan when he tempted Eve. So this means that Satan caused all of their deaths through sin thus showing that Satan has killed them all, not God.

... Or something like that.

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