23 February 2012

David Barton: Life begins at last call (Jeremiah 1:5)

David Barton (the psuedo-historian that Mike Huckabee wants every American to be 'forced at gun point' to listen to) says that "life begins before conception." (Jeremiah 1:5)

Or as Seth Meyers put it, "Life begins at last call."


Ian said...

So sperm and egg cells, which only contain half the chromosomes needed to produce a human being, are life?

In that case, I think I'm guilty of genocide, as I just cut my finger, thus massacring millions of skin and blood cells, all of which are more of a "person" than a gamete

sam said...

JER 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart…”

This suggests yhwh's formation of everlasting souls prior to physical conception, something the early church father Origen would have agreed with.

Add to that MK 15:20 - “But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”

yhwh permits the birth of people who he knows will betray the Son of Man, given his omniscience. If it would be better for the person if he had not been born, failing to prevent him from being born would be the less moral act, like failing to prevent a baby from drowning.

Certainly, yhwh is asserted to have the capacity to prevent pregancy, like in Gen 20:17-18. So, why does yhwh fail in his moral obligation to prevent birth & risk the everlasting damnation of these souls?

Eccles 4:2-3 – “And I thought the dead, who have already died, more fortunate than the living, who are still alive; but better than both is the one who has not yet been, & has not seen the evil deeds that are done under the sun.”