In an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon. And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her. 2 Samuel 11.2-4
She becomes pregnant with David's child and David sends her husband (Uriah) into the front lines to be killed.
The woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child. 11.5
In the morning … David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah … saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die … And Uriah the Hittite died. 11.14-17Well, that's not what this story is about. In fact, the killing of Uriah is the only one of David's many killings that God disapproved of. David had Uriah killed and God had nothing to do with it.
The thing that David had done displeased the LORD. 11.27God was displeased with David for killing Uriah and taking his wife, but he forgave him for it.
The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. 12.13Still, God had to do something to show his displeasure. Here's what he decided to do: he'd have David's wives raped by his neighbor while everyone else watches.
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. 12.11It turns out that the "neighbor" that God sends to do his dirty work is David's own son, Absalom.
Ahithophel said unto Absalom, Go in unto thy father's concubines, which he hath left to keep the house … So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel. 2 Samuel 16.21-22But that didn't quite do it. David had caused God's enemies to blaspheme, so God had to give them something else to blaspheme about. But what?
Kill the baby, that's what.
Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. 12.14And that's what God did, but not all at once. He let the baby suffer for a while.
The LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. 12.15When God made the baby sick, David pleaded with God to stop tormenting him. But God wouldn't listen.
David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. 12.16Finally, after the baby suffered for seven days, God killed him.
On the seventh day, that the child died. 12.18After the baby died, David washed, got dressed, had a nice meal, and worshiped the God who killed his son.
David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he ... did eat. 12.20The story has a happy ending, though. After Bathsheba's baby boy is killed by God, David comforts her by going "in unto her." (He's such a nice guy!)
David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her. 12.24aAnd Bathsheba conceives and bears another son (Solomon).
And she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon. 12.24bAnd God loved Solomon.
And the LORD loved him. 12.24c(He probably said to himself, as the Brick Testament suggests, “I don’t think I’ll kill this one.”)
41 comments:
"How's that for a fucked up Bible story?"
But God's (= Yahwe/Jehova/The Lord of Hosts/Enlil/etc.) believers wouldn't listen.
Certainly Jesus wouldn't do such a thing....oh, right, Yahweh & Jesus are the same because there is only one god.
Must be the baby needed killing.
Maybe the baby was a secret Amalekite. That must be how they repopulate - It is a recessive gene.
You didn't even mention that David refused to mourn for the child; how fucked-up is that?
Thanks matt! I've added a comment about how David reacted when God murdered his son.
It explains why bad things happen to little children. Not only does he allow it, he causes it. (struck down the first born of Egypt; the slaughter of innocents after Jesus's birth; etc)
The baby could've been a great football player like Tim Tebow! Too bad god aborted it.
Thanks for the addition, Steve, but I was just pointing out that the child's own father refusing to mourn for it is, in the words of Shakespeare, "the most unkindest cut of all"...
ahhh - nothing like a good child sacrifice to keep contempt until the next onslaught of mass murder!
God really knows how to wet his appetite!
One of you used the word "abortion" to decsribes God's action, so let me see if I get this right: in America, if a woman decides to take the life of her unborn child, we say that's okay because 1) either the baby is not fully human, or 2) even if it is, the mother has the right to make decisions of life or death about the child.
So if the baby is not fully human, God can't be faulted for killing people, right? And if it legal and apparently ethical for the powerful to take the life of the unborn, what did God do wrong in this story? It seems like the best you've got is that if Bathsheba had decided to kill her son, we would celebrate her empowerment and freedom. But if God does it, He's a moral monster? I don't get the reasoning.
One of you used the word "abortion" to decsribes God's action, so let me see if I get this right: in America, if a woman decides to take the life of her unborn child, we say that's okay because 1) either the baby is not fully human, or 2) even if it is, the mother has the right to make decisions of life or death about the child.
So if the baby is not fully human, God can't be faulted for killing people, right? And if it legal and apparently ethical for the powerful to take the life of the unborn, what did God do wrong in this story? It seems like the best you've got is that if Bathsheba had decided to kill her son, we would celebrate her empowerment and freedom. But if God does it, He's a moral monster? I don't get the reasoning.
God is sovereign. What He does He does with the universal authority that belongs to Him only. Only a fool would attempt to judge Him. God did not banish the child to hell. The child's spirit was taken from this world and, although the text does not say so, the implication is that the child was taken to heaven. The Bible is clear that only the unfaithful unbelieving adults will be cast into hell. When an innocent child dies the spirit is taken to paradise.
Firstly Jim, it's hardly wise to begin with absolutes.
Anyway, let's take into consideration your view about the child being shuttled immediately to paradise.
While it would be nice to believe, this view is juvenile at best.
The Bible is filled with an almost unquantifiable amount of scripture telling us about how much god loves us. Verse after verse this love is reaffirmed to befit a wide range of different perceptions to love. My question to you is, why would god not take, in comparison, a small fraction of that time to write specifically that the child was sent to heaven? I mean he even took the time to say that he loved the second child, Solomon. I wonder why.
Jim D., well said.
Jon Valjean, you're an ignorant fool.
God is love(what did Jesus come to earth to do?). No human should ever attempt to judge God. From my understanding, Children are not held accountable by God for their sins until they reach a certain age, and that if a child dies before reaching the age of accountability, that child will, by the grace and mercy of God, be granted entrance into Heaven.
Bri Smith said...
Jim D., well said.
Jon Valjean, you're an ignorant fool.
God is love(what did Jesus come to earth to do?). No human should ever attempt to judge God. From my understanding, Children are not held accountable by God for their sins until they reach a certain age, and that if a child dies before reaching the age of accountability, that child will, by the grace and mercy of God, be granted entrance into Heaven.
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Jim D. said...
God is sovereign. What He does He does with the universal authority that belongs to Him only. Only a fool would attempt to judge Him. God did not banish the child to hell. The child's spirit was taken from this world and, although the text does not say so, the implication is that the child was taken to heaven. The Bible is clear that only the unfaithful unbelieving adults will be cast into hell. When an innocent child dies the spirit is taken to paradise.
Tue Jan 29, 07:58:00 PM 2013
The Bible doesn't say that. Religious people concocted that theory because they can't live with the alternative: that God is a monster who sends babies to hell.
They don't want to admit they might serve a monster that rules the universe so they have to make the theory up, like kids who keep making excuses for why the bully they adore is isn't really an asshole.
IF God is sovereign then people have something worse than satan to worry about. They have a god who lets monsters torture select people everywhere for the sin of having been born without giving them any real reason for why they are being tortured, while he watches them being raped, tortured, slowly murdered, to see if they will "crack" and question his existence or his goodness (if they are even old enough or cognisent enough to reason or speak). If they do, then they are thrown into the eternal lake of fire along with the monsters of humanity.
The only alternative is God is NOT sovereign as you think sovereign to be, and, at least for some indefinite period of time,God has to endure along with his creation, being in the hands of a demon god until he resumes his position as God. That's a stretch for most christian minds that can't follow more than a soundbite line of reasoning, but the alternative is your God, including Jesus, is a monstrosity that makes satan seem relatively benign by comparison.
I tell ya,
you guys have it all wrong. You have to look at the time/context this was written. The sacrifice of David's firstborn implicated a POWERFUL principle that God still has intact today. That was DAvid's FIRSTBORN, which was conceived out of murder/sinful heart. The law of first mention is clear here...The lineage of the tribe of Judah would've been corrupted hadn't God murdered this baby. The child was a result of greed, lust, murder, envy (SIN). Whenever God's people commited sin back in the OT, BLOODSHED was required/mandatory. David deserved death for the sin that he committed but he appealed to God's grace and mercy even before Christ was manifested in the physical. He knew the HEART of GOD was lovingkindness, grace and mercy. Yet, God could not let such crime go unpunished for if he did that would require God to go back on His Word which he cannot do. Alot of you guys lack wisdom. Such thing would NEVER happen today because Christ was the firstfruits of many to come and he died and rose again for ALL OF OUR SINS! If you go back and study the principles, precepts, ordinances and statutes of the Bible (particulary the OT) you'll see the importance of first fruit.
Good god, I'd never heard that before. What a barbaric occurrence. It baffles the mind that people in this day and age still believe in myths written in the Bronze age and glorify such a monstrous ba$tard as their god. Not that any other god is any better. They're all ridiculous or downright cruel.
It's always fun to see a "christian" chime in and try to explain his or her position with some convoluted logic. It does give me comfort, however, that day-by-day, month-by-month, year-by-year, more and more people are waking up and discovering the lie that is christianity--and are walking away from it. We can thank modern technology for a lot of that. If I were a christian, I would be thanking god for the internet!
@andrae dowell.
You are wrong. I have sinned and I have confessed my sins to God, but He still told me he will take away my first born in which He did. the sorrow caused me to search for answers and it brought me here.
God has the right to take away whatever life he sees fit, and you don't know what kind of wicked person the child would have grown up to be that he felt the need to. Even so David had sex with a married woman, had her husband killed and ended up with a child he didn't deserve. God got the message across either way.
2 Samuel 11:17
"And the men of the city went out, and fought with Joab: and there fell some of the people of the servants of David; and Uriah the Hittite died also."
As noted above, it wasn't only Uriah who was killed but also a number of King David's servants as well; however, I never hear mention of this fact.
As a Christian, this story has bothered me a great deal. It seems that there must be a lot of details left out of the story, things that won't be known until the judgement day.
Nevertheless, it seems like Uriah was a far better man than King David, able to control his own human urges as a matter of integrity and loyalty to his fellow soldiers, and King David, I believe, may have wanted Uriah dead not just to cover his own sin but also to perhaps cover up his own shame in the matter.
Uriah was fighting King David's battle, unknowingly had his wife sexually taken by King David while fighting King David's battle, brings Uriah home in an attempt to entice Uriah to have sexual relations with his own wife, and then ends up killing Uriah (as well as an unknown number of King David's other men) who righteously resisted what he could have legitimately had.
I go around and around with this story, and it always ends up bothering me.
Now that we know that God kills innocent children because of the crimes of their parents, what do we do next.
The best thing to do would be to place the bible into a box named CONTROVERSIAL or CONFUSING. This box is best left alone since it contains things that will never be resolved
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I thought I'd just mention something here...
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun
This verse never said the wives were raped, but were taken away from David and given to another.
So far, this is the most appalling story of God's ridiculous behavior that I've come across. Does anyone know of an example to trump this?
I think mind numbingly hilarious that people defend this action of baby-murder by saying that the baby probably was going to be evil... just like God created it to be. A better rationale would be that the baby was put there to teach a lesson and had no soul -- it was for all intents and purposes just an automaton/robot.
You missed part of the story. 2 samuel 12:23. When David says he will go to his child. God received the child. The eternal perspective is hard to grasp from the human stand point. I would think twice about twisting the words of the almighty in the public's presence. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. If one took the time to get to know God they would find him to be very different from what they imagined. It is a very bad idea to try to judge God with a human mind. It is locked in darkness. Only God can turn the lights on. As the book says, knock and the door shall be opened to you...seek and ye shall find. Don't expect him on your own time...but expect that if you truly ask to know him he will begin to show you. The living God is nearer then you can imagine. He is right there waiting to rescue you...whoever you are, whatever you've done, he forgives you. Just ask. Repent and believe in Lord Jesus. That's what was said. Faith.
God allowed our first three children to die. Was He cruel in so doing?
I contemplated this and the real nature of God for eleven years. I was blessed to unexpectedly discover that God had given me the unshakable conviction that "there is no malevolence within the Almighty." The mere fact that I cannot and/or do not understand why God allowed this to us.. does not mean that God is cruel, or that He only loves some and not others. Not so.
God does not exist to serve us: we exist to serve God. Our experiences are not what we would have chosen for ourselves, or volunteered for. God, in his sovereignty, determines many things. He is not cruel or vindictive. Never!
As Elihu said in the Book of Job, ".. There is much yet to speak on God's behalf."
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The only way that I can explain it is this. You also needed 2 or 3 witnesses from what I am hearing. Plus, God doesn't count in this witnessing. Last, David's confession to Nathan also doesn't count, because Nathan had knowledge from God to go there in the first place. Also, David probably repented of his deeds with Nathan's parable or at least had a repenting heart at that moment. It's probably too late to stone him then. It is also uncertain that the rest of Israel(besides Joab--as loyal as a near perfect son) knew about it due to David's coverup! If they found out, then they may have tried to stone them. Connect the dots. Still, if my logic is off, then God knew exactly what He was doing! It gave us Jesus, our Lord!
I'm also hearing that David lost his son and had a 7 day fast period over it. How many people do you know fast like that when their child is near death? I also heard that David wives were raped publicly; what would you do and how would you feel if your sisters, grown/HS cousins that you knew well, mom, aunts, HS or older girls and nieces, wife, women that grew up with/are close to you, and grandmoms all get raped in real time in a way that everybody knew your business? Then, there was Absalom and--if I'm not mistaken--David hated that he died and was extremely sad despite all that he had done to him! He got punished in heaps--esp. when people cared about people more then than they do now! The ones he lost and that were hurt seemed more important to him than if he had lost Solomon's wealth!
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